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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:15 AM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Bride of Christ Testimony / Returning to
From: LTC87mac@aol.com
To: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Subject: Re: Sukkot '97
Eddie,
thanks your book "the seven Festivals... has been the base for my presentation of
the feasts - will be doing Shavuot tomorrow and will follow with fall feasts at our church.
thanks for the excellent resource of your book
jim
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From: "LaSarge, Paul A" <Paul.Lasarge@HSV.Boeing.com>
To:
"'heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com'"<heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com>
Subject: Bride of Christ Testimony
Eddie,
I'd like to share something that God has reminded me that He told me 12-14 years ago. I was a "young" Christian at the time. God told me
a lot of things, but one day He said that I had Jewish blood in me. I never told anyone this until I began reading your book; I shared this
with my wife. You know how it is when you feel like God has said something to you --- it needs to be tested to see if you truly heard
from God or not. I mean, what are you going to do, start running around telling people, "God told me I was Jewish"? At the time I did
not understand the importance of His statement, so I kept it to myself, but after reading your book I have a much better understanding
of the ramifications of His words to me. I did not understand fully (& still don't) about the 10 northern tribes of Israel being
assimilated into the Gentiles and then the return. God's plan of redemption for His people is incredibly beautiful. Thank you so much
for your book, Brother Eddie. You are effecting lives with your book in ways that I don't think you have anticipated. But, God reigns and
is moving in His people and in this world. Thank you, Y'shua for putting it in Eddie's heart to write this book!! Our God is an
awesome God!!!!
I just read the "Home School Outing" e-mail Cheryle wrote and was deeply touched by a statement she made. It is as follows:"...Eddie
and I had prayed about the price for the book [Who is the Bride of Christ?], and that we knew it was a lot of money for people, but that
we had received in prayer that the Bride would know that she must have that book, and would purchase it, and read the whole 476 pages! She
would be hungry and know that there was a "bride price" and that it would be paid...not without sacrifice, but with joy and love!" Here I
am sitting at my desk, first thing in the morning, and I'm wiping tears from my face! My Spirit has been touched by His love for us.
God is sssooooo good!!
I have a question, Eddie. I was reading the Bride and for ~456 pages I understood fairly well what you were talking about. On page 455 you
write..."The last words which we are reminded to understand prior to the ascension of Jesus unto heaven is the regathering of the exiles
from BOTH the house of Israel, the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom through the outpouring of God's Holy Spirit. This is a MAJOR
significant event and witness to the nations of the world prior to the second coming of Jesus."
On page 456 you write..."During the second coming of Jesus, He will restore the preserved of Israel back to the land of Israel by the
outpouring of God's Holy Spirit."
On page 455 your write "prior" and on page 456 you write "during". Would you clarify this?
From Eddie:
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WOW! You are reading things very detailed aren't you? Both should read BEFORE.
One of the reasons that the Orthodox Jews do not believe that Yeshua/Jesus is Messiah is because they know from the prophecies
in the OT that the Messiah will REGATHER THE EXILES and bring them back to the land of Israel. The EXILES would INCLUDE the assimulated
Ten lost tribes and the Southern Kingdom which is the house of Judah or the Jewish people. The Ten tribes were taken captive into Assyria
in 721 B.C.E.
Over 700 years later, they were still identified as a people. In James 1:1 it is written:
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the TWELVE TRIBES scattered abroad"
In Acts 26:7, the apostle Paul speaks of the twelve tribes before King Agrippa as it is written:
"Unto which promise our TWELVE TRIBES instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, King Agrippa, I am
accused of the Jews"
The GOOD NEWS (Gospel) was intended to go out "into the nations" so that the "TWELVE TRIBES scattered abroad" would hear the
good news that their promised redemption and deliverance had come.
WHEN the Orthodox Jews begin to see the TWELVE TRIBES scattered abroad coming back to the land of Israel, they know that
they are living in the days of the Messiah.
This will happen during a WORLDWIDE judgment upon the NATIONS. This judgment is mentioned in Zechariah 12:2-3 as it is
written:
"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling (POISON in Hebrew) unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege BOTH
against Judah (the WEST BANK) and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a BURDENSOME STONE for all people: all that
burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH be gathered against it"
Friends, we are living in this day. The current peace process in being negotiated based upon U.N Resolutions 242 and 338
which state that Israel will return back to her 1967 borders and Jerusalem will become an international city. THIS IS THE BURDENSOME
STONE that through the U.N. (ALL NATIONS) are being gathered against Jerusalem and the Jewish people.
In Joel 3:1-2 it also speaks of G-d's judgment upon the nations at it is written:
"For, behold, IN THOSE DAYS AND IN THAT TIME (this is a Jewish idiom that the Rabbi's understood to mean 'during the days of Messiah'),
when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also GATHER ALL NATIONS and will bring them down into the valley of
Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my HERITAGE Israel, whome they have SCATTERED AMONG THE NATIONS and
PARTED MY LAND"
In Jeremiah 50:4-6 it is written:
"IN THOSE DAYS AND IN THAT TIME ( a term referring to the days of the coming of the Messiah) saith the Lord, the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL (the
Northern Kingdom) shall come, they AND the CHILDREN OF JUDAH (the Southern Kingdom) TOGETHER (at the same time) going and weeping: they
shall go and seek the Lord their God. They shall ask the way to Zion (spiritually this referes to the Torah (Is 2:2-3) but also referes to
the city of JERUSALEM) with their faces thitherward saying, COME and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a PERPETUAL COVENANT that SHALL
NOT BE FORGOTTEN. My people have been lost sheep: their shepherds (pastors in Christianity and Rabbi's in Judaism) have caused them to
go astray (Christianity has rejected the Hebraic Roots and Torah and the Judaism has rejected the Messiah), they have turned them away on
the mountains to hill, they have forgotten their resting place"
In Jeremiah 50:17 it is written:
"Israel is a scattered sheep: the lions have driven him away: first, the king of Assyria (Northern Kingdom) hath devoured him: and last
this Nebuchadnezzar (Southern Kingdom) king of Babylon hath broken his bones"
This will happen during trying days and times and days of war. In Jeremiah 51:50 it is written:
"Ye that have ESCAPTED THE SWORD go away, stand not still: remember the Lord afar off, and let Jerusalem come to your mind"
This will happen when BABYLON is being judged. In Jeremiah 51:63 it is written:
"And it shall be when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of
Euphrates. And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will brign upon her: and they shall be
weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah"
In Revelation 18:21:
"And the mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city
Babylon be thrown down and shall be found no more at all"
The perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten (Jeremiah 50:5) is mentioned in Ezekiel 37:15-27. In Ezekiel 37:15-21
it talks about the "two sticks" (The Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom) coming together. In Ezekiel 37:21 it is written:
"And say unto them, thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL from among the HEATHEN whither they have gone and
will gather them on every side and BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND"
In Ezekiel 37:26, G-d talks about making an "ETERNAL COVENANT" with His people (Jer 50:5) as it is written:
"Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them: it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply
them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them FOREVERMORE"
Therefore, the CONTEXT in these scriptures is that the (Northern AND Southern Kingdom) is returning back to the land of
Israel during GREAT JUDGMENT among the NATIONS.
In Isaiah 49:5-6 is the TWOFOLD purpose of the Messiah as it is written:
"And now, saith the Lord, that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring JACOB AGAIN (Jacob = ALL 12 Tribes) to him, Though
Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, it is a LIGHT
THING that thou shouldest be my servant to RAISE UP THE TRIBES OF JACOB (all 12 tribes) and to RESTORE the preserved of Israel: I will
also give thee for a LIGHT TO THE GENTILES that thou mayest be my salvation unto the ends fo the earth"
Christianity has identified with Yeshua/Jesus being the LIGHT TO THE GENTILES and Judaism has identified the Messiah
as RAISING UP THE TRIBES OF JACOB.
In Luke 1:31,33 it is said about Yeshua/Jesus:
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in they womb and bring forth a son and shalt call his name JESUS .. and he shall reign over the HOUSE OF
JACOB (all 12 tribes) FOREVER and of his kingdom there shall be no end"
The disciples of Yeshua/Jesus knew these prophecies. Therefore, following His resurrection knowing that HE is the Messiah
and would fulfill these prophecies ask Him in Acts 1:6 whether the REGATHERING OF THE TRIBES would take place at this time as it is
written:
"When they therefore were come together they asked of him, saying, LORD, will thou AT THIS TIME RESTORE AGAIN the Kingdom to Israel
(regather both the Northern and the Southern tribes back to the land of Israel).
In Acts 1:7-8, Yeshua/Jesus answered that this would happen by the OUTPOURING OF G-D'S HOLY SPIRIT and the WITNESS of this
restoration would take place FIRST in Jerusalem, then Judea, and in Samaria (the WEST BANK) and unto the uttermost part of the earth"
Ironically, the controversy today in the Middle East is in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria. The "uttermost parts of the
earth" refers to where the tribes have been scattered.
In Deuteronomy 30:2-4 it is written:
"And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shall OBEY his voice according to all that I command thee this day (RETURN TO TORAH), thou
and thy children with all thine heart and with all thy soul (a reference again to keeping the Torah ... Deut 6:4-5). That THEN the
Lord they God will turn thy captivity and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from ALL THE NATIONS wither the Lord
thy God hath SCATTERED THEM. If any of thine be driven out unto the UTTERMOST PARTS OF HEAVEN from thence will the Lord thy God gather
thee, and from hence will he fetch thee"
Therefore, the FINAL thought that Yeshua/Jesus was leaving with us in (Acts 1:6-8) prior to His ascension into heaven
was the REGATHERING OF THE TRIBES from ALL NATIONS where they have been scattered. There is an Hebraic expression "Here now, but not
yet". In other words, "being fulfilled (here now) but not yet (in it's fullness). The Ruach HaKodesh was poured out in Jerusalem and
the Gospel did go forth as mentioned in Acts 1:7-8 during the days of the 1st century but NOT IN ITS FULLNESS because the exiles never came
back to the land of Israel.
The assimulated Northern Kingdom would today be embracers of Christianity.
Paul, in summary, this is what I was trying to explain in my book, "Who is the Bride of Christ?". I hope that I
have answered your question.
From Paul:
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How does this fit into the end time events?
From Eddie:
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It will happen PRIOR to the second coming of Yeshua/Jesus. Virtually all Christian Bible prophecy teachers miss the MOST TALKED about
end time prophetic event in the writings of the prophets. This event will be a WITNESS to the Jewish people that the Messianic Age is upon
us.
From Paul:
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This isn' t the 144,000 is it?
From Eddie:
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I believe that the return is MUCH LARGER than 144,000 because it is from the "uttermost part of the earth". But notice
that the 144,000 are NOT all Jewish. Only the tribe of Judah is Jewish. MOST of the 144,000 will be non-Jews.
From Paul:
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Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of
temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them thast dwell upon the earth." Is this verse referring to the Bride? What
does this verse mean --- supernatural protection, or physically removed from the temptation, or something else?
From Eddie:
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I believe that this talks about SUPERNATURAL protection during the times of great crisis and judgment upon the earth but also
refers to the RAPTURE of the BRIDE. But, I believe that ONLY the BRIDE will be raptured BECAUSE she was "ready, prepared and had her
lamp burning". This is NOT the state of most of the church. The Bride will be an OVERCOMER but those who are not overcomers will be
overcome.
From Paul:
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I have given this a lot of thought. Is this the whole of the church or only the Bride? It doesn't make any sense that a carnal Christian,
living in the world, would suddenly get with God's program and move to Israel. This move sounds more like it applies exclusively to the
Bride.
From Eddie:
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Well, I WOULD NOT make the statement that there is a 1 to 1 relationship between those who go to Israel and those who are the
Bride but most certainly those who have a love for Israel, the Jewish people and the roots of Christianity would be far more willing to go
to the land of Israel that those who reject the Jewish people and have no identity with the roots of Christianity.
From Paul:
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Would you shed some light on this? I cannot imagine all of the Body of Christ trying to physically fit into the land of Israel!
Shalom,
Paul LaSarge
From Eddie:
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There is a pattern that repeats OVER and OVER in the Bible which is this ... only a REMNANT.
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To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
From: tstewart@worldchat.com (terry stewart)
Subject: Is Ephraim Chrisitianity?
Dear Eddie,
I have really learned a lot from your discussion on Ephraim. The L-rd has given me great insight through these articles on the newsgroup. I
am really learning a lot about my Hebraic heritage as a believer in Yeshua. I also today bought the book "In Search of Israel" from a
booktable at my church (Hamilton Chrisitan Fellowship) garage sale in Hamilton by Battya Ruth Wooten.
From Eddie:
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Batya is on our newsgroup. I have read her book. She has done a nice job of explaining about the two houses. This book should
give you added insight on this topic.
From Terry:
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Also, I will CONTINUE with your newsgroup right through my 9 day vacation (June 20 to 29th). Your
ministry is a real blessing to the body of Christ worldwide. I have been blessed to learn more about Messianic Judiasm and other topics
that you post on the newsgroup e mail service.
I believe you already answered in in the article on Ephraim. From my understanding of what I have read, the two groups Gentiles-Ephraim-
the Church and Jews are both spoken of in the Word. The physical LAND of ISRAEL belongs to the Jews and we are grafted in through adoption
through Messiah Jesus. I am stating this very briefly. Please clarify or correct or explain Eddie if you feel any more explanation is
needed. In short, I do NOT believe in replacement theology.
Shalom and blessings in Yeshua,
Terry Stewart
Burlington, Ontario, Canada.
From Eddie:
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The non-Jewish believer in Yeshua/Jesus has NOT REPLACED the Jewish people but are GRAFTED into her heritage. By understanding
this grafting and how it happened and how it is connected to the covenant that G-d made with Abraham, you will understand the
significance of the prophecies of the "two sticks" coming together in Ezekiel 37:15-27.
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