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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 12:23 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Re: Shavuot - Part II To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com From: pottersclay@mail.icnet.net (Randy Felton) Subject: Re: Shavuot - Part II > >From: Nehemiah Trustees Covenant Fund >To: Torah Lovers > > > >Subject: Shavuot > > >===================================================================== >4. How is that so many people were able to see and hear about the >events in Acts 2 from this place called "The upper room" (Acts 1:13)? >Is this where the miracle took place? >===================================================================== > >Is is a common misconception from Acts 2 to assume that the location of the event was in the same "upper room" from chapter 1 verse 13. > >The word "house" is used to describe the place where they were sitting, but the word used in the Greek is not "oikia" meaning house >or home, or a place of dwelling, but "oikon," from "oikos" which is predominately used to mean "the Sanctuary or House of G-d, (Matt. >12:4, Matt. 21:13) (W.E. Vines v. 2 p. 236) > >The location was therefore not in some upper room where no crowd could comfortably gather, let alone 120 Believers, but apparently >some place else where they were all gathered in one place. > >1 "And when the day of Pentecost had come they were all together in one place." > >The "some place" is none other than the Har HaBayit (Temple Mount) and specifically in the Temple courtyard. Now with that in mind, lets >place this event into a pictorial context. The day of Pentecost (Shavu'ot) arrives, as it had for centuries, since the first >Pentecost at Har Sinai, when Moshe received the Ten Commandments. > >These men are sitting together, somewhere in the courtyard of the Israelites, when this awesome whirring, roar, like the rushing >violent wind of a tornado blasts onto the Temple Mount and into the Temple courtyard of the Israelites, which is filled to capacity with >men there for the Temple services of Shavu'ot. > >This powerful manifestation of G-d's Spirit as it descends over this little band of believing men, sitting off to themselves to avoid >persecution from the others on the Temple Mount. Yet, G-d will not have His people and word hidden, or placed under the proverbial >basket, but to be heard and seen in its power and glory. > >2 "And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent, rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. > >So, what filled the place where they were sitting was this mighty whirring sound, which actually sounds much like an on coming roar of >a very fast moving train. In actuality the breath of life is the same force in Breshit (Genesis,) of the Spirit of G-d, at creation. It was >therefore not something imagined or proclaimed to be happening by someone, but a very powerful event that was completely unmistakable, >and witnessed by thousands. > Hi all, In reply to 4. above: Acts 1:12 tells of the disciples going to the Mt. of Olives to the upper room where they were staying. On Shavout it is only logical that they were on the Temple Mount. See Peters sermon, Acts 2:14-47. Look at verse 46, which tells us they were at the Temple. Also look at verse 41, which tells us that there were about 3000 saved and baptized that day. At the foot of the southern steps of the Temple Mount, outside the Huldah Gates are a series of Mikvot. These ritual emersion vats, were for the pilgrims to go through ritual cleansing before entering the Temple Complex. It would not be a problem at all for 3000 to emerse there in one day. I know of no other place this could happen in Jerusalem. Also look at Mark 14:13-16. They were to find a man carrying a pitcher of water who would lead them to a room preparred for the passover. The Temple Mount complex is built on a series of arched rooms or vaulted chambers which allowed the platform to be level. These chambers are "Lower Rooms". All around the plaza were "Upper Rooms" which were used for pilgrims coming for feasts. The only man who would be carrying water (women's work) was the priest who had drawn water from the pool of Silaom for the water libation. The last supper was eaten in an "Upper Room" on the Temple, in the same general location of Acts 2:4. Shalom, Randy Felton *************************************************************************** Reply-to: "Danny L. Joe" <dannyjoe@bigfoot.com> From: "Danny L. Joe" <dannyjoe@bigfoot.com> To: <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com> Subject: Re: The Counting of the Days of Shavuot > >While MOST of the Sadducean doctrine was unbiblical (Acts 23:8), using the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua/Jesus >as our DIVINE answer and pattern, in this case the Sadducean doctrine would be the correct interpretation. Yeshua/Jesus died on Passover >(Nisan 14). He was in the ground on the feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15) and He arose being the FIRST FRUITS of them that rise from >the dead (I Cor 15:20, 23).
>According to the Sadducean interpretation and the example of Yeshua/Jesus being our DIVINE guide, Shavuot (Pentecost) >would ALWAYS be on a Sunday. > Eddie, Thank you for elaborating on the basis for counting Shavuot. I have long considered the pattern of Yeshua's death, burial, and resurrection to be the primary - if not only - guide regarding when to reckon the offering of the "the sheaf of the wave offering", since the basis seems somewhat unclear from the scriptures alone. The waving of the sheaf does appear to represent Yeshua's body and appearance before the Father as an offering for mankind, e.g., John 2:21, Acts 2:30-33, Eph 1:20-23; 5:30, Col 1:24; and especially the apparent link between Lev 23:14 and John 20:17: (Lev 23:14) And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (John 20:17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Warmest regards, Danny *****************************************************************************
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