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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 2:19 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Re: Is the New Testament Scripture ??? / From: Dan To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Is the New Testament Scripture ??? Dear Eddie: Shalom! The apostle Cefas (Peter) clearly has said than Shaul's letters are authorized scriptures as the rest of the Scriptures ( 2 Pt.3:16). The nohadic's movement is wrong. Salvation comes by Yehoshua (Yeshua/Jesus) only. The Natzir's group and Nohedic's group has to redifine their doctrines or soon would they depart from our Messiah. If returning to hebrew roots means replacing Messhiah by feasts we are death without any hope. We have to exhault Him, follow Him, celebrate Him, glorify Him and serve Him with all our soul, strength and mind through our hebrew roots. The rest is commentary. See you at Yerushalayim. Dan. From Eddie: ************** FYI, Dan is Jewish believer and he couldn't have written it any better. ************************************************************************* From: Jan Kapteyn To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Is New Testament Scripture??? heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com wrote: > > I urge you to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you the truth of God's written Word. > > Eddie Chumney > > Dear brother Eddie > This is exactly where it all depends on, the Holy Sprit. First of all 2 Peter 1:20-21 declares that prophecy by man is from God through the Holy Spirit. According to Deuteronomy 18:22 is a true prophet one, whose prophecy has exactly come about as he said it would. Apart from all other evidence, Yeshua prophesied that he would be dead and burried but be raised up on the third day. This prophesy has been exactly fullfilled and that makes Yeshua a prophet and His Words True. That makes the New Testament part of YHVH's Word. The inerrancy and infallabillety of Tenach and N.T. however goes only for the original and in the Original lanquage it was written in. That leaves us in a bad spot because we do not have the original. Luckely for us though, they have interpreted 2Tim.3:16 wrongly. The word Theopneustos is not a proper Greek word and is nowhere else used. Paul tried to put his Hebrew/Aramaic thoughts in to Greek, or the the translator of Paul's original Hebrew dit this. If we go back to the Hebrew word Ruach which Paul had in mind, we find that the original meaning was "A visible observation of an invisable action" The Ruach Hakodesh is a manifestation of YHVH's activety. To cut a long redenation short, we could say that theopneustos means "made active, or alive, by God" We could translate 2Tim.3:16 as follows: "Every thing written can be activated by YHVH and is profitable .... etc." This means that the Holy Spirit can use even the most mutilated copy to teach us. We should also notice that Paul did not speak about the Tenach, because its final form was not determined in His Day and certainly not about the New Testament because most of it was not even written. But in this explanation of 2Tim 3:16 that does make no difference. Therefore about our present day NT, we have to compare it carefully with the Tenach and ask YHVH for the guidance of His Holy Spirit which He will gladly give us. Than it is a wonderfull book that teaches, comforts and guides us and brings the message Eph 1:13 talks about. Your brother through Yeshua, Jan. -- J.C.Kapteyn Holland ********************************************************************** From: "Jeannie Koh" To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Is New Testament Scripture??? Dear everyone, This is the first time I am posting a message on this group. I am new to the study of the Hebraic roots of my Christian faith. I would be called a Gentile. I have been happily reading the messages sent on this newsgroup, and this is very much a well of nourishment in terms of understanding Hebrew culture and relationships. In particular it was the whole wedding festival and being betrothed that I loved, the parable of the ten virgins being one of my particular favorites. I even entertained the thought of living in a kibbutz for awhile just to understand the Hebrew mind. I have two things: First a question: from a Jewish cultural standpoint, would the oil in the lamps in the parable of the ten virgins stand for anything symbolic or as a metaphor for something? Would the foolishness of the five virgins who did not have enough oil indicate something too? I'm curious what this group thinks. From Eddie: ************** The LAMP is going to represent the WORD of God or the TORAH. In Psalm 119:97, 105 it it written: "Oh how I love thy TORAH! It is my meditation all the day ... Thy WORD is a LAMP unto my feet (how I live my life) and a light unto my path" The OIL is always symbolic of the Holy Spirit. When those in the OT were "annointed" it was done by pouring oil upon their heads. In I Samuel 10:1, 6 it is written: "Then Samuel tool a vial of OIL and poured it upn his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the Lord has ANNOINTED thee to be captain over his inheritance? .. and the SPIRIT OF THE LORD will come upon thee and you shall prophesy with them, and shall be turned into another man" There are MANY examples like this one in the Bible. So, the LAMP represents the WORD or the TORAH of God and the OIL represents the SPIRIT of God illuminating the WORD or TORAH of God. The New Covenant is the SPIRIT of GOD writing the TORAH upon our hearts. In Jeremiah 31:33 it is written: "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my TORAH in their inward parts and WRITE it in their hearts: and will be their God, and they shall be my people" In Hebrews 10:15-16 it is written: "Whereof the HOLY SPIRIT also is a witness to us: for after that HE had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my TORAH into their HEARTS and in their MINDS will I write them" So, the "lamp burning with oil" is going to represent God's Word / Torah and the illumination of that Word / Torah by the Holy Spirit / Ruach HaKodesh. There were TEN virgins. The number TEN represents to the Jewish people a LEGAL CONGREGATION. So, TEN virgins will represent the "church" or the ENTIRE FAMILY of God. Those who have faith in the God of Israel and have accepted the MESSIAH are spiritually bethrothed to Him and are thus a "virgin" and not supposed to worship any other "gods" and be a "whore". In I Corinthians 11:2 it is written: "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have ESPOUSED (bethrothed) you to ONE HUSBAND that I may present you as a CHASTE (Holy and clean) VIRGIN to Christ" So, TEN from the Jewish perspective represents a legal congregation and VIRGINS are those who are members of the family of God who are to remain PURE unto HIM. FIVE were wise. FIVE is the Biblical number for GRACE. FIVE is also the Biblical number for the TORAH. TORAH and GRACE always go together. TRUTH is defined as being God's Torah. In Psalm 119:142 it is written: "They righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and thy TORAH is the TRUTH" In John 1:14 it it written: "And the Word was made flesh adn dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory the glory as the only begotten of the Father) full of GRACE and TRUTH. So, the WISE virgins are a SUBSET of the TEN virgins which represents a LEGAL congregation who were carrying the LAMP/TORAH of God and had the LIGHT of the OIL from the HOLY SPIRIT who WROTE the TORAH upon our HEARTS. The had the FIVE (grace and truth) of God. The FIVE foolish had their OIL go out. They did not study the Word of God or the Ways of His Kingdom and let their OIL (knowledge and understand) go out. THEY missed the wedding. Because FIVE is also the number of GRACE, they are still a subset of the TEN or legal congregation. They are "saved by grace" (FIVE) but have no works (their light went out). They are described in (I Corinthians 3:13-15). TODAY, the GLOBAL move to return back to the Hebraic/Jewish roots of Christianity is a move upon the hearts of God's people by the HOLY SPIRIT. I discuss this parable more fully in my book, "Who is the Bride of Christ?" From Jeannie: ***************** The second is in regards to the issue of the NT and Craig etc. I have deleted most messages so this is based on memory, and pardon if I have misread anything. I too have been raised in a Baptist fundamentalist background. I too questioned a lot of the teachings handed down to me. It was a painful time, a time where I wasn't sure if my post-modern Christian fundamentalist background had betrayed me, whether it was to be proved adequate for today's time and age. To keep this brief, I will say that I have known many to leave the "fundamentalist" camp, some going towards more traditional roots like Greek Orthodox or Catholicism, some even leaving the Christian faith. It wasn't always due to the inerrancy of the NT. But from the ones I know, due more to a lack of resources for people who wanted to have a place to explore their creative and intellectual questions. But unfortunately, some who have left this camp have also thrown out the inerrancy of the NT or the whole scripture, because of faults in the fundamentalist camp that had nothing to do with this issue. That is a whole other topic. On the inerrancy of scripture however, I will say that unless one is a textual critic, don't rule out inerrancy of scriptures or the NT, despite the church council's history since the NT was compiled. In the Gentile world, I refer any interested parties to some excellent resources such as books by authors like Peter Kreeft, CS Lewis, Jacques Ellul, and Frederick Buechner on matters relating to textual criticism, and ancient literature. Blessings from one who feels a great debt to the G-d of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, along with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul, Jeannie ******************************************************************************
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