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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 1997 2:34 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Who are we as believers in Messiah ??? From: Stefan Blad To: "'Hebrew roots'" <heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com> Subject: The letter of Ken du Plessis (Ovadyah) Shalom Eddie! I just want to thank you for your mature statements to Ken du Plessis (Ovadyah). You are a real example for me and I am praying for you. Thank you for keeping the balance, and for leading the group I just would like to ask you; Don't you think that your (and my) position could be called Messianism? I don't indentify as a christian, nor as a Jew. I am a messianic gentile. I know the heart is the important issue, as you so wonderfully state in your your answer to Ken, but for me it's important to relate, in first place with The Messiah and the G'd of Israel, but also with I call this movement the Messianic Movement, or Messianism. I believe that the only movement where Jews and gentiles can be one is the messianic movement. I believe Ef 2:14 can be fulfilled only if we return to the original New Covenant faith and practice. That is what you are doing and teaching. But why don't call this Messianism? Don't you think that Christianity will be divided between those who love the G'd of Israel and His Messiah Yeshua/Jesus, and those who just have an appearance of godliness but don't want the power o In Ez 37:19 it sais that the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, WILL BE JOINED WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH. The stick of Judah is not moved! The stick of Efraim has to be moved to come ba You say that Efraim (The house of Israel) is Christianity. I'm not a part of Christianity, I made a decision to go out a few years ago. But I didn't go into judaism. In that moment I (and my whife) went to a deep crisis of identity. The only indentity we had (and thats enough to be saved) was our identity with Yeshua the Messiah, (not the hellenized, christianized, blue eyed Christ). My only foundation in my life was (and still is) HE as revealed in the Scriptures by the holy Spirit of G'd. As I had a vision where I saw Him as a Jewish rabbi full of pureness and love, I couldn't no longer go back to the concept of the "christian" Christ. My savior was not longer a christian, He is a Jew, and still using the Tallit (as I also saw in my vision), see Rev 19:16. The crisis of identity was very deep. Who am I? I am not a christian, nor a Jew. I knew I have Jewish genes, but I was not called as a circumcised and don't feel the call to convert to Judaism or to Who am I? Who are we? I had only one solution, and started to identify as a messianic gentile. I thought that I was the only messianic gentile in the world, until I met Dan ben Avraham from Davie, Florida, who came to visit Spain. He told me that my experience was not the first he heard in that kind. He told me that they started a messianic gentile congregation in Davie a few years ago, with Spanish speaking people (most of t This movement is growing explosively among the Latin world, right now. Many Spanish speaking people find the Messiah and they DONT GO INTO CHRISTIANITY, but directly into the Messianic Movement. They I believe this movement is the restoration of the house of Israel, and it is NOT Christianity, but Messianism. Do you really believe Christianity will embrace its jewish roots or mustn't there be a EXODUS. I believe so. Only G'd knows how to do it. And once more: Thank you WERY much for your teaching. God bless you abundantly! Love in the Messiah. Stefan Blad Toledo Spain From Eddie: *************** By the way, I THOROUGHLY enjoyed your touching testimony !!! Stefan, it appears to me that we have the SAME HEART and the SAME VIEWPOINT regarding what you wrote above. You are only trying to give a NAME to it. "Messianic" is really a term to describe Jews who believe in Jesus as Messiah and want to worship God is a more Jewish setting that the traditional church. BIBLICALLY, our God is the God of Israel. We are GRAFTED into the ROOT of the promise that God gave to Abraham, and then to Isaac and then to Jacob. Jacob become ISRAEL. The sons of Jacob became the heads of the 12 TRIBES of Israel . At Mount Sinai, God entered into a covenant with the HOUSE OF JACOB (all 12 TRIBES) (Exodus 19:3). Jesus came to one day rule over the HOUSE OF JACOB (all 12 TRIBES) (Luke 1:33). The "house of Jacob" or the family of the God of Israel consists of BOTH Jewish and non-Jewish believer in Messiah. The house of Jacob are ISRAELITES. Biblically, the non-Jew is an ISRAELITE. However, most probably if you begin to call yourself by your correct Biblical entity, people will think that you are saying that you are an ISRAELITE and advocating "replacement theology" or "British Israelism" or "white supremacy" all of which refer to themselves as "Israelites". You see, Satan made a counterfeit for this also. I see myself as a BIBLE BELIEVER who doesn't identity with any particular denomination but still recognizes and appreciated the various truths within denominations while also understanding some of the errors also. I see myself as being a believer in the God of Israel and His Messiah. I see myself as seeking to follow the truth of the scriptures. So, in SOME ways that makes me a "Christian" and in SOME ways that makes me a "Jew". What is most important is that we are circumcised in the HEART, we seek to keep God's commandments and to love Him with all our heart, mind, soul and strength and we LIVE our faith not join a religious club (denominations) and subscribe to the club's lists of doctrines (denominational beliefs). So, Stefan, maybe we are Messianic Israelites .... Eddie Chumney **************************************************************************
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