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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 2:13 AM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of Scripture!
From: Jerry Baker
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of Scripture!
Jason,
You have a good understanding of many things already! I do not wish to "open
a can of worms" but may I point out that the original King James version had
eighty (80) books in it. The 14 books that were removed were not taken out
until the late 1860's by the American Bible Society. As far as the "Catholic
Church" setting the cannon, bear in mind it was the only portion left of the
early church at this junction of history.
As you so aptly pointed out it is not the true early church, simply all that
was left of it after the early church allowed the pagan "Babylonian Mystery
Religions" in and began to function with their beliefs instead of the
teachings of Messiah. It is equally sad, but this same thing happened to the
beliefs and practices that were handed down to Meses on Mt. Sinai. When the
House of Judah returned from the Babylonian captivity they brought with them
a collection of books "the Babylonian Talmud" that has many of its
interpretations based in paganism just as the church now has as well.
Rabbinic Judaism is not based on the Bible (re. "Old Testament") but is based
on these books.
Just as the Catholic Church system is in error when compared to scripture, so
Rabbinic Judaism is equally in error compared to scripture.
Keep studying brother, God will reveal to you the things He wants you to
know.
Blessings,
Jerry
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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 1:02 AM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonizati
From: Philip Nowland
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of Scripture!
To: "INTERNET:heb_roots_chr@geocities.com"
<heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Hello there Jerry.
With respect to the early editions of the KJV having 80 books, and some
were taken out later. Just to correct the impression that would be drawn
from that - please note:
Some Bibles are published with the Apocrapha contained within. This is not
common practice, but is found on some occasions.
Some early editions of the KJV had the Apocrapha contained within. But the
pages of these extra books were boldly outlined to let the reader know that
the text was not accepted as part of the Scriptures, but included for
information purposes.
The fact that the Apocrapha is contained within the same covers as the rest
of the Bible text did not imply that these extra books had the same weight
as the rest of the Bible.
In recent times it has become normal practice for the Bible to be published
without the Apocrapha contained, but every so often a new translation
appears where it is found in the standard published book.
As for the point that the extra books were not taken out until 1860 by the
American Bible Society. Please note that the KJV was originally published
in 1611 in England by government selected publishers, and it was not normal
practice for the Apocrapha to be included. The fact that it was included in
some editions does not imply that to be a standard practice.
As for the claim that at the time of the "canonization" of the New
Testament Scriptures, the only portion of the early church in existance was
the Catholic church, is overlooking some obvious facts of church history.
There has always been an un-corrupted church - it may have been small - a
remnant in fact. It may even been persecuted by the mainline "church", but
nevertheless it always was there. Yeshua, promised that He would build His
Church and the Gates of Hades WOULD NOT prevail against it.
So we should think again with repect to church history and the canonization
of the Scriptures.
Yours in Yeshua's name
PhilipNowland@compuserve.com
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From: Remy
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of
Scripture!
Eddie:
Jerry Baker made a stetement in his letter concerning the "Babylonian
Talmud" being brought back from the Babylonian Jews after the 70 year
captivity and that it was based on the Babylonian mystery religion.
This is in error.
The Babylonian Talmud did not even exist until circa 200 C.E. It is a
collection of teachings, commentaries and halakic law that was
collected in Babylon. There is another Talmud, the "Palestinian
Talmud", also. Neither Talmud is based on Babylonian mystery
religion. If there is anything close to that in Jewish literature, it
is the Kabalah.
Please post this on the net so the error can be corrected.
Remy
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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 11:50 PM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonizati
From: Ken Scott
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of Scripture!
Hi Philip:
I thought you might be interested in these....
It is a list I recieved at church long ago, I dont have any
documentation with them, however that wouldn't make much difference.
The verification one needs is found when one does his or her own
research and finds evidence or discredite for themselves.
Any good famly Encyclopedia will also give you a basic grip on the New
Testament. Shalom Ken S.
The Other 124 Books of the Bible
These are the books various early Christian churches considered as
canonical, or as possible additions to the Testaments. In some
churches a few of these DID make it into Their Scriptures. Some of
these may be known to you by other names, but these are the most
generally used English translations of the titles. These are not the
Apocrypha, but known as the Pseudoepigripha or other names. A few are
lost, we only know the names.
Acts of Abraham
Acts of Adam
Acts of John
Acts of Paul
Acts of Paul and Thecla
Acts of Peter
Acts of Solomon
Ahigar
Apocalypse of Adam
Apocalypse of Barach (I)
Apocalypse of Barach (II)
Apocalypse of Daniel
Apocalypse of Elijah
Apocalypse of Enoch
Apocalypse of Ezra (Esdras)
Apocalypse of James (I)
Apocalypse of James (II)
Apocalypse of Peter
Apocalypse of Philip
Apocalypse of Stephan
Apocalypse of Solomon
Apocalypse of Thomas
Apocalypse of Zephanian
Apocryphon of Ezekiel
Apocryphon of John
Apostles' Creed
Ascension of Isaiah
Assumpton of Moses
Baruch III
Baruch IV
Chronicles of the Kings of Israel
Chronicles of the Kings of Judah
Clement's First Letter (I Clement)
Clement's Second Letter (II Clement)
Clement's Third Letter (III Clement)
Dialogue of the Redeemer
Didache (The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles)
Eldad and Moclad
Enoch, Book of
Enoch II (Book of the Secrets of Enoch)
Epistle of Barbabas
Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians
Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians
Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelpians
Epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians
Epistle of Ignatius to the Polycarp
Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans
Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyr ans
Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians
Epistle of Jeremy
Epistle of Paul to the Laodiceans (2)
Epistle of Pontius Pilate
Epistles of Jesus Christ and Abgarus, King of Edessa
Epistle to the Egyptians Ezra (Esdras) IV
Faith and Wisdom (Pistis Sophia)
Genesis Apocryphia
Gospel of Nicodemus [Acts of Pilate, Christ's Descent into Hell]
Gospel of Perfection
Gospel of Philip
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of the Birth of Mary
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of the Hebrews
Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
History of Joseph
History of the Rechabits
Hodagot (Praises)
Infancy Story of Jesus Christ of Thomas
Jannes and Jambris
Joseph and Aseneth
Jashar
Jubilees, Book of
Kerygma of Peter
Ladder of Jacob
Letter of Aristeas to Philocrats
(Pseudo-Aristeas)
Letter of Herod to Pilate
Letter of Paul to the Alexandrians
Letter of Pilate to Herod
Lifes of the Prophets
Lifes of Adam and Eve (Apocalypse of Moses)
Maccabee III
Maccabee IV
Manuals of Discipline, Benediction, and the Congregation
Martyrdom of Isaiah
Noah, Book of
Odes (Odae)
Odes of Solomon
Paralipomena of Jeremiah
Persharium
Protevangelium of James
Psalms of David (151-155)
Psalms of Solomon
Pseudo-Phocyliades
Prayer of Jacob
Prayer of Joseph
Prayer of Manasseh
Questions of Ezra (Esdras)
Report of Pilate the Governor
Revelation of Ezra (Esdras)
Revelation of Peter
Shepard of Hermas
Sibylline Oracles
Syriac Merander
Testament of Adam
Testament of Isaac
Testament of Jacob
Testament of Job
Testament of Moses
Testament of Solomon
Testament of the Lord
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
Treatise of Shem
Vision of Ezra (Esdras)
War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness
Wars of the Lord
Wisdom of Jesus (Sophia Jesus Christ)
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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 10:46 PM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonizati
From: TimeEmits
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: I need some help with the Canonization of Scripture!
Try this concise boook for your information.
Reid, W. Harold. How God Gave Us The Bible. Burlington, Ontario,
Canada:
G. R. Welch Company Limited, 1982.
Timeemits
From Eddie:
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Dear Mishpachah (family),
FYI, I have never read or seen this book.
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