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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 10:45 PM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Info on The Ninth of Av From: "The Neumann's" To: <heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com> Subject: The Ninth of Av Dear Eddie, Thank you for your including me into 'the family'. There has been so many things in my heart that i could not put words to and i find them explained by you and many who are part of 'the family'. lately i have had to deal with questions about the feasts and the Sabbath. i usually stay solid, but when i see what i just gave as a response addressed in even greater detail i am comforted that i am not way out in left field. Living in miami provides a vast number of interesting resources, but there comes a time when that 'quiet voice' warns you that a certain question may be a little too delicate or untimely. For a long time i have been walking on the edge as i find the Hebrew images meshing with the Prophetic today. i know they are all the same within the Pattern of the Kingdom.... but this is a little more radical than i am used to. Eddie, i am not really sure what i am looking for, so please bear with me. This all revolves around the Ninth of Av. Historically i know most of the events that took place and there is references to it and either the birth or coming of Messiah. any information on such i welcome. But there is something else. lets just say i got a chunk of rhema that i can not hang some logos on , yet. it is written, 'seek and you shall find'.... thanks, Eddie IN KING'S LOVE bob neuman From Eddie: *************** I have read several books that tell of significant historical events that have happened on the ninth of Av. To begin with, the 1st and 2nd temples were destroyed on the ninth of Av. I know that (Marion Kremers spelling?) published a book about Israel and end time prophetic events that lists significant historical events that happened on the ninth of Av and other significant day in Jewish history. Cheryle do you have this book around the house? I do but I don't know where it is at the moment. There must be some newsgroup members who have access to some of this information that can share it with us. Let us wait to hear from them also. Members, what can you share with us ??? ***************************************************************************** ---------- From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 1997 12:55 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Info on The Ninth of Av >From: "The Neumann's" >To: <heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com> >Subject: The Ninth of Av > >Dear Eddie, > >Thank you for your including me into 'the family'. There has been so many things in my heart that >i could not put words to and i find them explained by you and many who are part of 'the family'. lately >i have had to deal with questions about the feasts and the Sabbath. i usually stay solid, but when i see >what i just gave as a response addressed in even greater detail i am comforted that i am not way >out in left field. > >Living in miami provides a vast number of interesting resources, but there comes a time when that 'quiet >voice' warns you that a certain question may be a little too delicate or untimely. For a long time i have >been walking on the edge as i find the Hebrew images meshing with the Prophetic today. i know they are >all the same within the Pattern of the Kingdom.... but this is a little more radical than i am used to. > >Eddie, i am not really sure what i am looking for, so please bear with me. > >This all revolves around the Ninth of Av. Historically i know most of the events that took place and there >is references to it and either the birth or coming of Messiah. any information on such i welcome. > >But there is something else. lets just say i got a chunk of rhema that i can not hang some logos on , yet. > >it is written, 'seek and you shall find'.... > >thanks, Eddie > >IN KING'S LOVE >bob neuman > ********************************************************************** To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Info on The Ninth of Av From: (James R Kern) The following is from Encyclopedia Judaica: On the 9th of Av it was decreed that the Children of Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, should not enter the Promised land. The first and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Bethar, the last stronghold of the leaders of the Bar Kokhba war was captured in 135 C.E. One year later, in 136, the Roman emperor Hadrian established a heathen temple on the site of the Temple and rebuilt Jerusalem as a pagan city which was renamed Aelia Capitolina and which the Jews were forbidden to enter. The expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492 is said also to have occurred on the 9th of Av. Hope this helps some Shalom James ******************************************************************* To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Info on The Ninth of Av From: (Linda D Semler) "God Intervenes In The Middle East" Marion Kremers 10 AV 586AD: Burning of Temple, Jews deported to Babylon (Jer. 52:12) 9 Av 70AD : The Temple was set afire by soldiers, contrary to Titus order: Tirtus entered the "Holy Place" of the Temple and ordered his six commanders to save the Temple. The unrestrainable soldiers hoped for plunder, seeing all the gold on the building, and threw fire upon the Temple itself. 9 AV 130AD: Plowing of Jerusalem - Emperor Hadrian ordered Govenor Tineius Rufus to plow Jerusalem along the line of the projected walls of new city, "Aelia Capitolina" This "plowing" fulfilled Micah 3:12 to erase "Judea" from memory, Hadrian changed its name to Palestine. 9 Av 135AD: Romans Crush the Second Revolt- Last Jewish fortress at Betar fell. Bar Kokhba and his men were killed and Rabbi Akiva was executed. 9 AV (July 18), 1290: King Edward I banished all Jews from England. They had to leave be All Saints Day, October 31. 9 AV 1626: Birth of Shabbetai Zevi, a false messiah. Does anyone know the dates of 9 AV this year and next? From Eddie: ************** It begins the evening of August 11, 1997. Blessings. Linda ***************************************************************** From: Jim & Suzanne Geiger To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Info on The Ninth of Av 9th Tish B'Av Fast of Tisha B'Av. Zechariah 7:1-3 Moses' spies return from Israel, ten with a wicked report, two with a good report. Numbers 13:25 Mishna, Ta'an 29a It was decreed that Israel should not enter the promised land. Mishna, Ta'an 29a, Numbers 13:25 Jerusalem and the Solomon's temple are burned and looted by Babylon. II Kings 25:8-24 - 3338 AM A year after the Temple was burned, Micah 3:12 was fulfilled. This is the day spoken of in Lamentations 7:2. This is the `fast day', of the fifth month, spoken of in Zechariah 8:19. The Rabbis say that Herod's temple was also destroyed on this date in 70 C.E. Mishna, Ta'an 29a - 3828 AM Emperor Hadrian established a heathen temple on the Temple mount. Mishna, Ta'an 29a Ezekiel/God tells elders to put away idols. Ezekiel 20 07/17/94 Av 9, 5754 ; Parts Shoemaker-Levi Began pounding Jupiter Torah section is Deuteronomy 4:25-40. Haftorah is Jeremiah 8:13 - 9:23. Morning Torah section is Ex. 23:11-14; 34:1-10. Haftorah is Isaiah 55:6 - 56:8; Micah 7:18-20; Hosea 14:2-10. afternoon. Most of the above info can be found at: The Watchman homepage of Greg Killian; gkilli@aol.com ************************************************************************* From: Lenora Strickland To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Info on The Ninth of Av Go to http://www.ohr.org.il/special/9av/index.htm for a chart of Tisha B'Av: Spirals in Time. *************************************************************************
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