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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 12:36 AM
To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: The Ten Virgins
From: Phil Bryant
To: "heb_roots_chr@geocities.com"
Subject: Re: The return of the Messiah / The Day of the Lord
I just recently did a study of the use of oil in the bible and will echo
his statements regarding its symbolism. He also mentioned the parable of
the 10 virgins which I have a question about.
This parable and that of the wicked servant have been used by some to
state that when Christ comes for his church, for the wedding feast, that
not all Christians will be ready, that some will be foolish and not be
prepared.
It is clear from the series of 4 parables that Christ is talking about
Christians and the unsaved, not different types of the saved. In each
parable, the Lord ends with a curse upon those to whom he does not
know, ie the unsaved at the judgment time. In the 10 virgin parable, all of
the virgins fall asleep. The wise ones were the ones who brought extra
oil (the spirit) in jars of clay. When the call went out the the
bridegroom had arrived, all of the virgins trimmed their lamps but the
foolish virgins did not have any oil. At the end of the parable when the
foolish ones return, they knock on the door and the Lord tells them, "I
do not know you."
Would the Lord say this to someone who has his spirit? Is there anyone
to whom the Lord does not know?
These are questions that I wish you to ask yourself. Christ is building
his body, he has made us perfect and complete, not lacking anything. He
has given us everything we need for life and godliness. There is not one
thing that I can do to myself to make myself anymore ready for His
return than what God made me when I accepted his salvation. We have
become new creations and this we rely on God to continue to prepare our
hearts for the day of his coming.
Those who are not ready on the day of his return are those whom Christ
did not know, those who's names are not written in the Lamb's book of
Life.
Phil
From Eddie:
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Phil,
I wrote a 476 page book entitled, "Who is the Bride of Christ?" which was printed in the month of May.
In this book, I detail in a step-by-step, line-upon-line teaching showing the Biblical characteristics of the Bride of Christ.
I also do an extensive analysis and examination of the parable of the ten virgins.
#1) You are misunderstanding the meaning of the parable because you are not interpreting the parable from a Hebraic/Jewish context.
Let me BRIEFLY explain. The parable talks about TEN VIRGINS. Ten to the Jewish people represents a LEGAL CONGREGATION which
we call in Christianity the "church".
It also talks about VIRGINS. Those who accept Jesus as Messiah are called VIRGINS unto God (II Corinthians 11:2)
So, TEN VIRGINS clearly communicates in a Hebraic/Jewish context a LEGAL congregation. So, TEN VIRGINS would be symbolic of a
LEGAL congregation in God's Kingdom ("church") in Greek or "Kehilat" in Hebrew.
#2) The words spoken to the foolish virgins are:
I never KNEW you.
You say:
>
>Would the Lord say this to someone who has his spirit? Is there anyone to whom the Lord does not know?
>
You are interpreting the Lord "knowing" from a Western mindset. However, the Hebrew word for "know" is "Yadah" which also has the
meaning of "knowing INTIMATELY". In Genesis 4:1 it says:
"And Adam KNEW (3045 = Yahah) Eve his wife and she conceived ..."
In Proverbs 3:5-6 it is written:
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart: and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all ways ACKNOWLEDGE (3045 = Yadah) him, and he
shall direct thy paths"
In Psalm 76:1:
"In Judah (praise) is God KNOWN (3045 = Yadah) ..."
So, I never KNEW you speaks of MORE than just "knowing of them" but communicates knowing INTIMATELY and having a DEEP PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP with another person.
A friend is a different level of "knowing" a person that a husband and wife who have been married for 50 years
#3) You state there there are not different types of saved in heaven. The Bible tells us that there IS different types
(LEVELS) of believer in heaven. Let me give you SOME scriptures for you because you write:
>
>It is clear from the series of 4 parables that Christ is talking about Christians and the unsaved, not different types of the saved. In each
>parable, the Lord ends with a curse upon those to whom he does not know, ie the unsaved at the judgment time.
>
Matthew 5:19 it is written:
"Whosoever therefore shall BREAK one of the least of the commandments and shall TEACH men to do so (most of Christianity) shall be called
LEAST IN THE KINGDOM of heaven: but whosover shall DO and TEACH them shall be called GREAT IN THE KINGDOM of heaven"
Jeremiah 31:33-34 it is written:
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my TORAH in
their inward hearts and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach more every man his neighbor and every
man his brother, saying, know the Lord: for they shall all know me, for the LEAST of them unto the GREATEST of them saith the Lord ..."
In Luke 22:24 it is written:
"And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be the greatest . and he (Jesus) said unto them ... but he that is GREATEST
among you, let him be as the younger, and he that is CHIEF (greatest) as he that DOES SERVE ... that you may eat and drink AT MY TABLE IN
MY KINGDOM and SIT ON THRONES JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL"
Notice that they aren't "judging sinners" but are judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL (which spiritually is all of God's redeemed
both Jew and non-Jew).
In I Cor 3:13-15 it is written:
"Every man's WORK shall be manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire and the fire shall try every
man's WORK of what sort it is. If any man's WORK abide which he has built upon, he shall receive a REWARD. If any man's WORK shall be
BURNED, he shall suffer loss (of reward): BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED: yet so by fire"
So, the Bible describes different types of saved from the LEAST to the GREATEST. The Bride will be the GREATEST in the Kingdom.
There is a judgment of God to separate saved versus unsaved. There is a judgment of God regarding JUST THE SAVED to determine
their LEVEL OF REWARD in heaven. This is based upon our SERVICE and commitment to do the Will of God in our lives. This is based
upon what WE do. Salvation is by GRACE and is based upon what HE did and what we accepted by faith in our hearts. REWARDS is based upon
HOW we live our lives AFTER we are saved by the GRACE of God.
Next, you talk about the "rebuke" of Jesus to those who "let their lamps burn out". In a Western mindset, a "rebuke" is "not
having salvation". But from a Hebraic/Jewish mindset, it is a word of "chastisement" for making a wrong decision or engaging in
inappropriate behavior that is contrary to the PERFECT Will of God.
In Revelation 3:19 it is written:
"As many as I LOVE, I REBUKE and CHASTEN ..."
In Isaiah 2:2-4 it is written:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and
shall be exalted above the hills and MANY NATIONS shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye and let us go up to the
mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Jacob: and he will TEACH us his ways and we shall WALK in his paths: for out of Zion
shall go forth the TORAH and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And he shall JUDGE among the nations and shall REBUKE MANY PEOPLE ..."
So, a Biblically "rebuke" in these passages is for the purpose of pointing out improper behavior with the intent that this
behavior will be changed and corrected by the individual.
If your parents told you to take out the trash and you forgot you might get a REBUKE by your father.
So, the "rebuke" of Jesus in the parable of the ten virgins and other parables of the stewards etc are words of chastisement with
the punishment being a LOSS OF REWARDS because of a lack of FAITHFUL STEWARDSHIP entrusted unto the person.
In I Corinthians 4:2 it is written:
"Moreover it is required of STEWARDS that a man be found FAITHFUL"
I took 476 pages to comprehensively cover this subject. I have only given a VERY VERY brief commentary in this note.
Phil, I would encourage you to purchase my book, "Who is the Bride of Christ?" to study these things in greater detail and examine
the biblical characteristics of the Bride of Messiah in a more complete step-by-step Bible teaching. Then, you will understand what
I have just written with a better Biblical understanding from a more complete Hebraic/Jewish perspective of the scriptures.
Eddie Chumney
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From: ADRIAN_PETERSON
Subject: The return of the Messiah / The Day of the Lord
To: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
To All:
Ohhh! If we could all get this buried in the very depths of our being. You're so right Jamie in that it is the pure fact that Yeshua IS
coming back. With our whole being is focused on Yeshua we can then believe in "pan-trib" (it's all gonna pan out). Our reliance is in
Yeshua and not our reasoning. If He comes in the pre-trib - Hallelujha, if He comes in mid-trib - Hallelujha. The point is that He
promises to protect those who believe from the WRATH of God. Now if that is by taking us out before or by His "arm of protection" during,
it shouldn't really matter to us. He will come back and the true and faithful believers in Yeshua will be His Bride. The age old
controversy over pre, mid, post tribulation is NOT where Yeshua wants us to focus. That takes your eyes off of Him and onto man.
Adrian
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