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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 11:27 PM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup; chumney@timken.com Subject: RE: Khazars To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Khazars Dear Eddie, Can you help me correct an anti-semetic acquaintance who believes most European Jewry are not even Jewish but descendants of the Turks who adopted Judaism in the 7th Century? Thank you, Virginia Gould From Eddie: ************** This probably comes from the "British Israelism" people and those who say that the "Jews aren't the real Jews" but white anglo-saxons are the "real Jews/Israelites". This is classic "replacement theology". Members can you give us more info and background on this ridiculous teaching ???? ********************************************************************** ---------- From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 1997 12:30 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: RE: Khazars From: Paula Yulish Subject: Khazars To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Priority: normal In a message dated 97-07-31 09:17:56 EDT, you write: > > Can you help me correct an anti-semetic acquaintance who believes most European Jewry are not even Jewish but descendants of the Turks who > adopted Judaism in the 7th Century? > > Thank you, > Virginia Gould > > From Eddie: > ************** > > This probably comes from the "British Israelism" people and those who say that the "Jews aren't the real Jews" but white > anglo-saxons are the "real Jews/Israelites". This is classic "replacement theology". > > Members can you give us more info and background on this ridiculous teaching ???? > > Virginia, Here we have another myth. The Jews of the world are not really Jews but descendants of the Khazars. I'll bet that your acquaintance believes that he is of the true House of Israel How convenient! How sad. In the year 740 a Tartaric people living in the kingdom of Khazar on the western shore of the Caspian sea between the Volga and the dan rivers, speaking Greek and practicing a religious blend of Christianity and paganism were converted to Judaism under the vigorous promptings of their King Butan. Judah Halevi's great 19th century poem Ha-Kuzari describes the conversion of the pagan King. King Butan, in search of a new religion, listens to a Mohammedan and a Christian arguing for their respective faith. His interest is aroused when both refer to Judaism as the father religion. He sends for a Jewish scholar, who presents Judaism not as a creed revealed to one man, but as a historic occurrence in which God manifested Himself to 600,000 Jews gathered at Mount Sinai to receive the Torah.It was,argues the Jewish scholar a religion given to the people at one time,complete and final. The fact that the Khazars now professed Judaism in no way changed their Tartaric habits or nature. They remained the dreaded warriors of the steppes, feared equally by Persians, Byzantines and the dukes of Kiev who had to pay huge annual tributes. A later King, Obadiah greatly strengthened Judaism inviting rabbis into his kingdom and building synagogues. The supreme court consisted of 7 judges: 2 Jews, 2 Christians, 2 Muslims and a Heathen. Religious toleration was maintained for the kingdoms 300 years. In 970 the Russians began attacking the Khazars and drove them into Crimea. In 1016 a joint Russian-Byzantine expedition finally destroyed the Khazar kingdom. The Khazar Jews dispersed into Russia, Byzantium and the Mediterranean ports. The Khazars are an fascinating footnote to Jewish history but are in no way related to the Jews of the Bible. They were converts afterall. What happened to all the direct descendants of Jacob? Don't tell me that they went to England! Oyvey.This is replacement theology at its worst! Stephen Yulish PH.D. Chayim Chadashim Flagstaff, AZ ******************************************************************************* ** From: Jeff Neckonoff To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Khazars Eddie, Over the past year, I've come across a few anti-Semitic web pages. On some, you will find their Khazar theory. Be forewarned.... what they say about anyone who is non-Aryan is very hateful, & will probably tick you off, as it did me. Just take it as it is, and remember who it's coming from....Neo-nazis and their pals. Here's the addresses: http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/ http://stormfront.wat.com/stormfront/an.htm http://www.stormfront.org/ http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom http://www.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Alternative/White_Power/ http://pages.prodigy.com/white/nsm.htm In Yeshua, Jeff Neckonoff Merrick, NY ****************************************************************************** From: electric To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Khazars A number of years back (15?), I had sent for a "free" booklet somewhere in the mid-west explaining why the "jews of today" were not "true Israel". I discarded it after reading it, so I have no references where or who! It primarily seemed "white supremicist" although I don't remember finding any traces of "British Israelism". The teaching went along the lines that, after the tribes of Israel had been scattered primarily throughout Europe and Asia the persecutions and pograms during the middle ages all but wiped out "true Israel". However, some small country or region near Russia/Asia Minor, populated by a tribe known as the Khazars totally (or almost totally) embraced Judaiism. Eventually, being "absorbed" in the masses and nations themselves they now formed the "new seed" of European and Asian jewry that survived until the modern era. Unlike their "Palestinian" predecessors, they apparently thrived in persecution! I can't remember much more of it, except that it was a basis for arguing that the Jewish people occupying modern Israel have no right to, and that THEY ARE NOT the fullfilment of God's promises to the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The references, I remember, were ambiguous and although I found mention in history of a people called "The Kazaars", I found no support of the teachings (or fantasies?) they were trying to promote! Further, they never really presented an argument for who was left on earth to fulfill those prophecies regarding the "return". It just might've been laying a foundation for "British Israelism" (?). That's all I can remember about it! If no one else can tell you more, I hope this is somewhat helpful. Apparently, someone is still "tickling" peoples ears with these stories, since your friend heard it. I do hope the Lord redirects his/her steps because, to say the least, such "paths" lead only to other less-than-edifying false teachings and error. Just a suggestion; "Why don't you offer to search out whatever references they've been given to support it. I'm sure that you'll come to a dead-end, as I did, and reveal to your friend the nonsense of it!" *************************************************************************** To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com From: Ben Goodwyn Subject: RE: Khazars Virginia: The Kazars were a small country located between two great powers, I believe, Turkey and Russia. The Turks were intent on the country becoming Muslims and the Russians were intent on them becoming Christians. The King of the Kazars knew to accept one would be cause for invasion by the other country. In a very wise decision he instead embraced Judaism. His people followed his lead. White surpremist and any other Jew haters now tells anyone that will listen that all of todays Jews are not Jewish, but rather Kazars....in other words gentiles masquerading as Jews. This gives them license in their demented minds to punish the Jews as imposters. I suspect your acquaintaince has his heart and mind in a "dark place." British Israelism has nothing to do with the Kazar controversy, but rather differentiates between the House of Judah(Jews of this world) and the Northern Ten Tribes known in the Tanak as the House of Israel. The House of Judah was led by the tribe of Judah while the House of Israel was led by Ephriam(Joseph). Major promises were made to each of these tribes. To Judah was given the Septer, the keeping of the Holy scripture(TANAK) and the gathering or obedience of the other tribes. On the other hand the tribe of Joseph was the birthright tribe with all the promises of power, honor, riches and military might(first born). Read Jacobs promise to Josephs' sons on his death bed. Both were and still are jealous of one another. British Israelitism says that the House of Israel is the industrial nations of Northwest Europe and the leading tribe of Joseph is the English speaking nations of this world. The true concept fully known respects Judah and accords full honors and respect to her. Again white surpremist full of hate take an opportunity to twist the concept to an anti-judism conclusion and most Christian leaders do not want to get near the concept for fear that they will become tainted with the label of anti-semitism. Today, however, there is a partial rebirth of the concept where "Christians" are being called the "Spiritual House of Israel." Hope this helps your understanding. Shalom aleichem--------------------benGoodwyn ****************************************************************************** From: David Weiner To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Cc: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup<heb_roots_chr@geocities.com> Subject: RE: Khazars Shalom Virginia, Please tell your anti-semetic acquaintance his believe is incorrect. Most anti-semitites will say anything to demean Judiasm, especially to one who is a believer. I have found that some people who carry their anti-semitisim attitudes to the extream as your acquaintance does, probably has a Judiac backround somewhere in his own roots. Please, try to witness to your friend, perhaps he can be saved. David Ben Reuben Boruch Hashem ***************************************************************************** ---------- From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 11:16 PM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: Re: Khazars From: Jeff Neckonoff To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Khazars For a good book explaining all this Khazar nonsense (& more), please read "Religion & The Racist Right, the Origins of the Christian Identity Movement" by Michael Barkun. It's all about British Israelism & how it evolved into today's demonization of the Jews by its adherents. If you go to any bookstore & give them this number, they will be able to order it for you. ISPN # 0-8078-4451-9 In Yeshua, Jeff Neckonoff Merrick, NY ***********************************************************************
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