From: 	 heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Sent: 	 Monday, August 25, 1997 11:29 PM
To: 	 Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
Subject: Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and o


> From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
> To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
> Subject: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others
> 
> From:          "Jeremy M. Meiss"
> To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
> Subject:       Some help needed in research...
> 
> I am looking for some facts about the Jahovah's Witness religion
> that proves fallecy or just makes the religion look stupid.  
> 
> For example how many times they have changed their doctrine in the
> last 200 years, etc.  
> 
> Like for the Mormons, Joseph Smith was a swendler.  He was a known
> crook and con artist. He was wanted in many states and was finally
> captured in Wyoming where he had a shootout and died!   Another
> thing are a number of former high archy mormons that have made
> public statments on the RECORD that most of the high archy don't
> even believe in thier own doctrine.  But because of what the
> religion provides for their family, and businesses they stay
> involved!
>

From:          Roi Levine Garcia
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

I taught Comparitive Religions in a Seminary for over 8 years. It is good to
know their leaders faults but you must concentrate on who is Yeshua! 
The J.W. do not believe in the Deity of Yeshua. They add words to Scripture
to back their doctrine, ie John 1:1 "a" god, Col 1:16 "other" things.

The two main Scriptures they use to back up thier belief is John 14:28 and
Rev 3:14.
My father is greater than I and first born of the creation of God.

The word greater in Jn 14:28 is speaking of rank and not nature. Pres Clinton
is our president but he is not a higher life form.

In Rev 3:14, beginning of the creation of God, the word beginning is the word
arkay which means source.

The J.W. do not believe in the physcical ressurection of Yeshua. This is an
enitre other study.

Always remember you can win the arguement but lose their willingness to
accept Yeshua as Messiah. Always  remember they are a soul!

IN Messiah,

Roi

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From:          "Mark Stephens"
To:            <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

Ref the following:

> 
> From:          "Jeremy M. Meiss"
> To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
> Subject:       Some help needed in research...
> 
> Like for the Mormons, Joseph Smith was a swendler.  He was a known
> crook and con artist. He was wanted in many states and was finally
> captured in Wyoming where he had a shootout and died!   Another
> thing are a number of former high archy mormons that have made
> public statments on the RECORD that most of the high archy don't
> even believe in thier own doctrine.  But because of what the
> religion provides for their family, and businesses they stay
> involved!
>

One small point of order, Joseph Smith was killed by his own
followers in Illinois when some of his 'dark' side activities were
discovered.  A common hoodlum is what he appears to have been.

Mordechai

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To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
From:          BSI 
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

Broken Shackles, Inc. is a good place to start for information on the
Jehovah's Witnesses. Broken Shackles has operated a cult outreach
ministry since 1981, and the director of our ministry is a former
member and leader of the group. We have a free ebook available online
that has some great information and a lot of links to other sites with
more information. The URL is http://www.bfree.org/cults

Shalom, SJB, Broken Shackles Ministry

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From:        Jeff Neckonoff
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

For fantastic info on Jehovah's Witnesses, contact these groups:

Comments From the Friends
PO Box 840
Stoughton, MA 02072

Leonard Chretien
PO Box 8007
La Jolla, CA 92038

Truth Seekers
PO Box 250
Newport, PA 17074

Personal Freedom Outreach
PO Box 26062
St Louis, MO 63136

Dept of Apologetics
The Master's College
PO Box 878
Newhall, CA 91322-0878

In Yeshua,
Jeff Neckonoff
Merrick, NY

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From:          His Mouse
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

<< From:          "Jeremy M. Meiss"
 To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
 Subject:       Some help needed in research...

 I am looking for some facts about the Jahovah's Witness religion that
 proves fallecy or just makes the religion look stupid.   >>
My brother in law went to the Library in New Haven Ct.  

He has these books that he said is helpful- 
Kingdom of the Cults- Bethaney House Pub.

30  years of the watch tower slave-  ( he said it's the best)

Crisis of Conscious-


Hope this helps some.

Deb

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From: 	heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: 	Friday, August 29, 1997 1:14 AM
To: 	Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup; paulexjw@sunsix.infi.net
Subject: 	Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and o

To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

FOR GOOD REFERENCES ON REFUTING JW's SEE:

"Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses" by Ron Rhodes
ISBN 1-56507-106-9

"Jehovah's Witnesses Answered Verse by Verse" by David A. Reed
ISBN 0-8010-7739-7

"Index of Watchtower Errors" by David A. Reed
ISBN 0-8010-7756-7


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From:          Teri Bell-Peacock
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

Dear Jeremy:

I encourage you to contact my friend, Paul Blizzard.  Paul is a former
JW and is not a minister with the Southern Baptist denomination.  He
has written several books on JW's and has a powerful testimony.  I
know that he will be a terrific help to you. You may contact him at: 
paulexjw@sunsix.infi.net

May I also encourage you to remember to love our Jehovah's Witness
brothers as Yshua loves them?  Remember,calling their theology
"stupid" will not demonstrate that love, but only alienate them and
prevent them from hearing the message of hope you are trying to
convey.

I appreciate your zeal for the gospel and praise The Almighty that He
has lifted up young men like you to further His kingdom.  May He bless
you as you strive to do His will!!!

Shalom,
Stay in His Love,
Teri Bell-Peacock

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From: 	heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: 	Tuesday, September 02, 1997 1:03 AM
To: 	Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup; paulexjw@sunsix.infi.net
Subject: 	Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and o

From:          "HaY'Did" <shalom@haydid.org>
Reply-to:      shalom@haydid.org
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others


Dear Rooters,

I, too, agree with Teri about being tolernant of others that may
believe differently than you may. Many people upon reading our
Tolerance Statement on our site, or in our magazine write and tell us
that when they read it, that it opened their eyes! Many cried because
they realized that they had been intolerant and caused others to
stumble along the way that might have not turned back from their walk.
In this newsgroup there are people from all over the world! Eddie and
I have a guestbook that people fill out when they find our site and we
know that this is one of the most diverse groups around! But we also
know that you all have a wonderful heart---and we love you! Some in
this group are even atheiests anxious just to study and gain
knowledge. Others are representatives of denominational churches, and
some are "free  spirits" that just want to "hang out" with us to see
what we are about. One of the amazing things is, that over 90% of
those that started out in this newsgroup in November are still in this
newsgroup! Most newsgroups dissolve after 6 months, and so we
recognize this as a special group of wonderful people all around the
world. I teasingly  refer to you all, and "The Church of All" on the
internet! There just couldn't be a way to touch across the miles into
over a thousand families lives, than is done through this newsgroup.
We are grateful to HIM for bringing you to our home each week! We've
met some very special people! In Little Rock it was like old home week
when we met everyone! Lots of hugs and fellowship just like we had
known each other for years! Eddie and the Holemans barely got to even
speak during the weekend because there were so many of you there! It
was wonderful! Next year we hope more of you will come to Little Rock
so we can meet you. It doesn't matter to us if you are Jehovah's
Witness, World Wide Church of God, Methodist, Believer or not! We just
want to say that we can fellowship in unity and quit arguing! Let's
center on that instead of differences, okay? I  know some wonderful
JWs. My daughter's father-in-law was a JW. He died in January and we
miss him greatly! We never discussed our differences! We had wonderful
fellowship, too! My son-in-law was not raised JW. He wasn't raised
with any religion, and only after he was out of the home did his
father turn to JWs. When our daughter met her future husband we were
thrilled! What a fine family to be from! We are very close to the
other family and always gather together in support of our
grandchildren. My daughter and son-in-law have chosen to raise their
children as we believe. The other family respects that, and it is not
discussed when the families gather. We talk about our families and
fellowship with tolerance. Just before the father-in-law died of
cancer he was put in a nursing home. The JWs were very faithful to be
there with  him as was his family. My daughter-in-law spent many hours
beside his bed visiting with his friends. They did not discuss
differences but spent their time reading from the Psalms and talking
of family. They were not obnoxious but were very supportive. Remember
that it only takes one intolerant person in a room to ruin the
evening. Please don't be that one! The door should always be open. It
is only by HIS HOLY SPIRIT that people are drawn to HIM anyway. You 
can't get anyone saved. HE does it! We just have to keep the prayers
up and be willing to be a vessel. Shalom, and know that we love you
all! 

Cheryle Holeman 
HaY'Did Learning Center 
PO Box 804 Independence,
KS 67301 

http://www.haydid.org


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From:          Gregory Richardson 
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others

About 14 years ago a JW couple (a man and his wife) came to my house.  I asked
them why the Jehovah's Witnesses did not observe the Sabbath or the Biblical
Holy Days.  They proceeded to tell me that the Law had been "done away",
"nailed to the cross".  I said, "Does that mean that we are now free to
worship "other gods"?  "Oh no," they said, "that commandment wasn't done
away".  "Does that mean that we are free to make idols and bow down to them?"
"Oh no, that commandment wasn't done away."  "Does that mean that we are free
to use God's name in vain?"  "Oh no, that commandment wasn't done away."
"Does that mean that we can dishonor our parents?", etc.

I purposly skipped the fourth commandment and saved it for last:  "Well", I
said, "shouldn't we, also, remember the Sabbath to keep it holy?"  "Oh no,
that commandment was done away."  "Wait a minute, isn't that one of the ten
commandments, just like the other nine that I asked you about?"

"Didn't Jesus say that he did not come to distroy the Law and the Prophets?"
"Yes, but he was talking about the Law that was given to Adam, the Law of
Moses was abolished."

I showed them how the Sabbath had been established at creation.  "....and the
Lord blessed it, and sanctified it."  They said that the God sanctified it for
himself, not for man.  So, I turned to where Jesus said that "the Sabbath was
made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.  Therefore the Son of Man is Lord
of the Sabbath, also."

I also showed them the fourteenth chapter of Zechariah, concerning the
observance of the annual Sabbaths.  By this time they were looking at their
watches and saying that they were late for an appointment.  I don't know if my
witness had been effective or not, but I hope that I had challenged them
enough to examine the Bible a little more carefully.

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From:          Jeff Bradshaw
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com

Dear Jeremy,

A word of encouragement and a word of caution...

The word of encouragement:  Thanks be to God that more people are
looking to combat the tide of error and untruth which exists in the
world, even among groups who today are sincere in their belief, but
have been duped by their organizations' less-than-upstanding founders.
 More Christians and Messianic Jewish believers (though I usually find
that Messianic Jewish believers are more well-versed in their beliefs
than average Christians) need to be aware of what they believe, and
more importantly, why they believe it, so that they can be well-armed
to respond to the challenges posed by cult organizations and
individuals who propagate theological error.  My own little space on
the Web is dedicated to this pursuit.  You may find a link or an
article which might help. 

 I'll list it later, with my name, in case you or the other "rooters"
are  interested (sorry, Eddie, I joke in my Web page about "shameless
promotion", and now I appear to engage in it).

The word of caution:  Be careful how you intend to stem this tide of
untruth.  The "founder is a crook" route seems easy enough, but
Jehovah's Witnesses already have a ready answer to the mountain of
evidence which they cannot deny regarding their founder, Charles T.
Russell:  "We do not follow the teachings of any man...", thus
dispensing of his moral failings as a hindrance to their faith.  Also,
another "rooter" gave you the correct angle to take:  who is Yeshua? 
By demonstrating the deity of Messiah in the scriptures, you will
provide a better response than trying to trying to make a JW "look
stupid".  I've been involved in several different theological debates
with people online, and I can assure you that there is no profit in
considering your opponent as stupid.  You will find that most online
adherents to cult organizations or different religions are fairly
intelligent, and much tougher to convince than you might imagine.  So
concentrate on what the Scriptures teach regarding Yeshua, and let
Jehovah's Witnesses figure the rest out on their own.

Jeff Bradshaw

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To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: Help with Jehovah Witness info and others 
From:    (Richard W Breazeale) 


 How true is this post, thank you for it. I visit several
denominations in the Nashville Tn. area and abroad when able and have 
seen the Lord moving in most all denominations, I do not believe JW's 
would be excluded for the erroneous teachings of the leaders. God seems to be
making a statement to His people and I fully believe His will WILL BE
DONE! The word says that His people will come to the full knowledge of
just who He is, He even prayed for this to the Father. He also prayed
for unity of the body, which isn't agreement of doctrine, but
agreement of just who He is, unity is based upon our focus and not our
idealogy and doctrine. 

  I am truly blessed having seen this in the body, He is doing a work
never seen before! Of course I know some will not turn completely to
Him above the church, but a divide will come eventually that will
separate the goats from the lambs. Then, and only then will we truly
be an envy and point of jealousy to the Jew, when we can truly walk in
the light and shine as one body to the nations. Still under
denominational names, but finally under one head, Jesus!

 Thanks again, and God bless.....

 Richard W Breazeale

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