From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 1:25 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: RE: Dream To: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Subject: Dream Dear Eddie, I was drawn to the dream shared by brother Tony in the email this morning. I have been in constant prayer about it and remain so. I am sharing what I see from it and hope that it might edify your readers. I ask that you not include my name or other such revealing information. Thank you, Karla The cow was not just the year 1996, but was the American church in the year 1996. The church has grown really big, but at what cost? It is no longer healthy and strong, but sick and dying. The farmer (church leaders) stood by and observed the sickness, yet did nothing to abate it, as they thought the growth to be good. (Is not church growth the golden calf of the 90's?) Though 97 will be a good year also, it will not be as good as the year before. The 97 offspring was not a calf because the church has lost its childlike faith. Also, it is not producing new babies (born again believers), but rather converts who are unchanged from the world (normal - not different and set apart as we are called to be). Without true growth, it will wither and become malnourished. That is the last cow. One question I have concerning the years is could the cows possibly represent succeeding generations rather than succeeding years? The problems of Judges occurred only 3 generations after Noah. Tony is seeing what the church is producing when he sees theses things come out of the cow. The false prophet, too, will come out of the church. And, in their weakened state, many will follow him. The farmer took Tony inside the cow to brag of its "life" and "growth" - how big it was. He proceeded to the neck and shoulder because this is the place the church leaders of today have taken - the neck is the connection to the head and they have deceived the people into believing that they (the leaders) are the people's connection to Christ (the head), when, in reality, we all have access to Him. The cow was basically hollow because the church has been gutted out. The very depths of its being- the bowels, etc., have been removed. It is empty and shallow, having the form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Perhaps the concrete blocks represent the remnant and the board across the top represents the platform of truth. This is what truly supports the church. The cloth covering the neck area is the shroud the leaders have put up, thus keeping people from seeing the true Messiah. The blood is a result of trying to sever the church from its true head. "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord." Jeremiah 23:1-2 This is what I feel God is showing me concerning the dream. I do believe the dream is from the Lord and I will continue to pray for wisdom and discernment concerning it. I would like to conclude by sharing something that happened to me in 1996. I was very discouraged with working in the mainstream church. My husband is a pastor, serving the Lord in the mission field of the organized church system. At times we do get discouraged and wish to quit. This particular time I was praying to the Lord concerning my frustration. I agonized in prayer and, after a time, asked God for a special word to keep me going. He led me to Jeremiah 23:4: "And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord." God has placed my husband in this mission field in order to gather together the Lord's flock that have been scattered by the other pastors. There are many in the organized church system that really do want to know the truth, but so many pastors today are tickling itching ears, thus scattering the remnant. I thank God for using my husband to feed His sheep. I thank God that my husband preaches the truth and those eager to hear it come to be fed (though the number may be small). Yes, I still get frustrated, but I rest in Yeshua and the promise God has given us. Please pray for those who are called to minister for the Lord in this way. It would be easier to quit the organized church, but that would be turning our back on the mission God has set before us. The prayers of fellow believers do much to add strength to our work. Shalom! Karla ************************************************************************ From: "MARET Systems International" To: <heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com> Subject: dream I have not had a similar dream. I have, however, been concerned about the year 1998 for some time. The number 1998 is 666 x 3. Bob ************************************************************************* From: Nita Horner To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com Subject: Re: Dream Tony, your dream has prompted me to go ahead and send a dream I recently had in hopes that someone here can see what I cannot...I do believe the Lord has given me partial understanding, but so that I won't taint the water....I'll just send it here and see if anyone else can interpret. I, too, wondered about putting it in the newsgroup, and finally, seeing yours, decided to do it now.. Eddie, we trust your discretion.. if you chose not to include it, that's fine. In this dream I was standing in a field...a large field. As I looked around I saw a white horse running toward me. He was running very fast, and I was afraid. I didn't know if he was going to be able to stop when he reached me, or if the intent was to harm me. I was just afraid of either.. The horse was swift and beautiful and charging right toward me. Near me all of a sudden was a tree. I immediately climbed up into the tree. Then my attention was drawn to the tree itself. This tree was two large branches coming from one trunk. Almost like two trees. The branches came up out of the trunk and were very smooth...big rounded branches...the bark looked old..like branched appearance of the tree had been there for a long time and was worn. It seemed to be really important that I got this. There was no broken limb or anything sharp.. (I wish I could show you a picture of the tree...it was almost two trees with one trunk..and the place they joined was smooth.. worn, I guess.. nothing broken or sticking up out of the joined area.. As I looked back toward the rapidly approaching white horse, I then noticed a gray donkey in front of it, running in terror. I hadn't seen him before. I watched as they both neared the tree... The donkey ran right up to the tree, and leaped up to jump through the branched areas.. Only as he did so, he stopped short....dead! He laid there..his head and front legs dangling over one side, his hindquarters over the other side.. As I watched, he began to become mottled....(this reminds me of Tony Valasek's dream) and his belly, from my view began to change color and the skin appeared to decay.. as I watched it did just that and I remember thinking..."Now I know for sure he is dead". I also knew there was no natural reason for him to have died there dangling between the branched tree.. I remembered how smooth it was...knew he hadn't landed on a sharp limb or anything. The white horse was near me. I didn't look at him, but knew he reared up to where his head was within reach of me. I reached my hand toward him, still not looking, and just as one would hand a horse an apple (I thought that in my dream), I reached my hand into his mouth...then my arm, as far as I could go... I was amazed that it was so soft and the horse wasn't biting my arm.. The next thing I knew I was in a room with people. There were many cupboards and drawers, closets.... the people weren't paying attention to me as I tried to find a place to hide from the white horse.. (still trying to hide..) finally a woman looked toward me and asked why I was here. I explained that the white horse (now he was standing right outside the window watching me) was wanting to get to me, and I was afraid. I wanted her to help me get into one of the drawers..I had planned to scoot in and move to the back. She told me there was no way I'd fit in there...and when I looked in, she was right...it was already filled with "stuff" (I couldn't tell what it was).. Others began to look at me, and then back to the horse. Then to me again and back to the horse.. evidently they were seeing something that yoked us, me and the horse, but I don't know what. There was real surprise on their faces.. Finally the same woman spoke to me.."that horse would never hurt you", she said..."especially not you." and the people were looking at me surprised that I would be inside, and surprised that I would not know...whatever "knowing" means in this dream.. I awoke.. This has been with me for two weeks.. I asked the Lord to let it go if it wasn't from Him... I'm not one to dream a lot, and the details of this dream won't leave me. The fact of the branched tree and what the Lord has led me to here in the Hebraic Roots newsgroup didn't even hit me until a few days ago... so...what do you think? Do you think it may be more than just a personal thing? I have some interpretation, but if anyone's interested, I'll give it privately, email..and not waste room here.. (nita@harborside.com) Love to you all....fellow sojourners.. You bless me with your contributions... I'm just a beginner in exploring the beginnings.. led directly by the Precious Holy Spirit to this place.. Thank you... Nita Horner **********************************************************************