From: 	 heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Sent: 	 Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:25 AM
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Subject: Re: The Temple Mount and the Future Temple

From:          Roi Garcia
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: The Temple Mount and the future Temple
I can verify that the Jewish scholars are in agreement to the conclusions of
Heb roots. The temple was located north of the Dome of the Rock. I worked for
the Israeli government for 12 years, studied under Itzak Yadin of Heb Univ.
They smile when the Gentile "Scholars" say that the Dome of the Rock needs to
be destroyed to accomedate the future temple. 
It is clear. The temple was immediately in line with the Eastern Gate! There
is a great opening there presently. The temple can be rebuilt without
damaging the Dome. But the outer court would have to be left out. This would
fulfill Rev 11: 1-3. 
Roi Levine Garcia
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From:          Dr. Don Levesque
To:            heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Subject:       Temple Mount and the future Temple
Shalom, Daniel you wrote:
>
>Now, most Bible students know from Gen. that the Garden of Eden had 4
>rivers coming out from it.   We know of two (Tigris & Euphrates) the
>third one is unknown.  The fourth one the Gihon, reported by BAR,
>thought to be found when satellite pictures were taken of the area. 
>The pictures kind of showed a dry river bed that extended from Kuwait
>all the way to Jordan.
>
>From Don:
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-- True, there was four rivers flowing out of Eden to water the
garden. But one must remember that Eden is not a garden, the Torah
instructs that  "a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and
from there it parted and became four riverheads" (Gen 2:10 NKJ).   The
source of the river is inside of Eden not in the garden.  It branched
out to four riverheads.  There are four old rivers beds between
Jericho and Jerusalem.
1) Wadi kelt (also referred to as Ma'aleh Adummim, just South of
     Jericho.
2) Wadi hoglah (also referred to as Wadi Og, just south of Kibbutz
     Almog). 
3) Wadi Nahal HaKippah (the third Wadi and the only one
     crested by a dome, runs on the north side of Kibbutz Qaliyah.  This is
     Nahal Hakippah.  The river has no modern map reference). 
4) Wadi Qumran (the present-day name for trhe fourth is Wadi Qumran. Adam
     Smith, in his Smith bible Dictionary written at the turn of the
     century. Identified what is today Wadi Wumran as Wadi Succacah.
One of the old river bed is a underground river that flowed from Mount
Moriah north of the Damascus Gate and this cavern descends toward the
Dead Sea and finally exist in Emeg Achor.  In 2 Kings 25:4-5 reads: 
 "Then the city wall was broken through, and all the men of war fled
at night by way of the gate between two walls, which was by the king's
garden, even though the Chaldeans were still encamped all around
against the city. And the king went by way of the plain.
But the army of the Chaldeans pursued the king, and they overtook him
in the plains of Jericho. All his army was scattered from him." 
It is believed that this escape route was through this ancient river bed
that flows to Qumran near Jericho. 
Now one must understand that a universal flood took place, and the
topography of the earth has changed since Eden of old. 
>
>-- Daniel you wrote: In addition, coins have been found around the
>area of Ur showing a man, a woman, a tree and a serpent.  Just by
>observation, it seems like the Garden should be located around the
>Kuwait area.
>
>From Don:
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The ark rested on Mount Ararat located north of ancient Ur where the
famous tower of Babel was erected, therefore I don't have any problem
with the descendants of Noah minting coins, depicting the pre flood
history of the woman, tree, and serpent.
>
> Daniel you wrote:
>
>I understand that the tree of life will be located in Jerusalem, so I
>thought maybe God wanted to place the new Eden far away from the old
>one.  
>
>From Don:
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Concerning the tree of Knowledge of good and evil and the tree of
life. They were planted in the garden in the near surrounding area of
Eden.  The top of Mount Moriah was the place where Abraham was told 
to sacrifice his only son, notice what the torah mentioned in the
following verse. 
 "And Abraham called the name of the place, THE-LORD-WILL-PROVIDE; as
 it is said to this day, "In the Mount of The LORD it shall be provided"
(Gen 22:14 NKJ).  According to the Torah the sacrifice had to be North
of the altar."   Mount Moriah rises North of the Temple mount and that
is where the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil had to be, not east in
Kuwait or Iran.  
The Mount of the Lord mentioned above is Mount Moriah, or today's
Temple Mount.  There stood the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the
place were the suffering ben-Yosef  (Messiah) would give his life for
a ransom on a tree.   In Bereshit (Genesis) 2:9 we read that " The
tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil."  In other words both trees where in close
proximity.  
The problem with Eden in the Kuwait area is that it's all based on
man's logical understanding, but not according to the Scriptures,
which are not silent concerning the matter.  Man was banished and sent
East, Next stop East of Kuwait is India.   One needs to answer why
Jerusalem is the most contested piece of real estate in the world? 
Why is the Messiah coming to Rule the world from Jerusalem?  Why is
the Messiah coming back in the Temple through the Eastern Gate (Golden
Gate; Gate of Mercy) which is sealed to this day and according to
Torah will not be opened for anyone except Him, at His coming?  I hope
I was able to help you with your questions. 
May Ha-shem bless you Daniel
Don
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From:          Dee
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: The Temple Mount and the future Temple
Dr. Levesque,
How can the Temple Mount ever be divided between two religions?
Whenever, in the past, the Temple was restored or improved, the pagan
shrines were always destroyed. How can a pagan shrine and the Temple
of the L-RD be sitting right next to one another? If the Temple Mount
has to be cleansed with the ashes of the red heifer, then it would
just become defiled again in the Dome of the Rock is left standing
there. A man made wall in between the two would not help keep the
Mount from being defiled all over again. Perhaps when the Jewish
people get back control of the Temple Mount they will take the Dome
down, and have it moved to another location in a Moslem country. Have
you done a study on the Ritmeyer's Temple drawings? It seems to me
that the whole of the Mount is needed for the Temple and all the
services that it entails, and all the chambers for various objects and
rituals. I saw a drawing in a book, which I have since loaned out, and
the drawing showed Ezekiel's Temple and the whole of the Mount was
used for it. As soon as I get the book back I will give you the
correct title and author. Till then, 
Shalom, Dee. 
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