From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
To: "Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup"<heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:04:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Teaching Hebraic Roots in Balance
>
>From: George Weidler
>To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
>Subject: Re: Torah in the great commission
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>To Randy Felton,
>
> I just read your comment. Praise G-d!!!! For once I see someone
> that seems to be getting it right. For so many years the Christian
>community has moved away from our jewish roots which is very wrong.
>But now I see a trend that is moving back to the jewish roots,
>however they seem to be doing a lot of Christian bashing as they go,
>which is just as bad. I don't believe that is what Jesus had in
>mind. Yes to the Jew first but don't forget the gentile. There are
>some things that we have right. And I'm getting real tired of being
>told what fools we are by people that are speaking in the name of
>Jesus. Two wrongs don't make a right. We are ALL G-ds people and
>it's about time we started acting like it. Yes if it's wrong please
>tell me, I need to know, but please come down off your holy mountain
>before you tell me.
>
>This way we can all grow and be blessed by our Lord.
>
>May G-d bless and keep you
>George Weidler
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From: Randy Felton
Subject: Re: Teaching Hebraic Roots in Balance
Dear George and members of the newsgroup,
I appreciate the response to my comments. It is hard to keep a
balance in our walk and in our service. I also, have had a fair share
of "bashing" from both sides.....Jewish believers and non-believers
who want to castigate the Church as well as churchmen who don't want
anything to do with "that old Jewish stuff". Both sides are in error.
The Church has made mistakes and committed great atrocities against
mankind, not only the Jews. BUT, the Chruch has maintained the faith
and passed down the gospel. Along with the error there has always
been a "remnant" a thread of true believers who kept and maintained
true faith. The same is true today. We do need to pull together in
unity and work for the common good. My message is to the Church to
try to sound the alarm that "Messiah is Coming! and SOON!". My
ministry is not primarially to the Jews, although I do interact with
them and minister to them as led, still, I am Goyim and my main
message is to Goyim. I have been told not to use that term, to use
"God Fearer" ....however there is a problem with any
label.... since I am from Oklahoma, I just prefer to be a "Cow Goy".
Lets all try to be a little more charitible toward one another and
walk out our faith using Yeshua/Jesus as our pattern. Remember,
Messiah is coming, SOON!
Shalom, Randy
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From: Roi Levine Garcia
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Teaching Hebraic Roots in Balance
Thank You! Being a congregational leader I know hear the bashing all
the time by indiviuals that think they have their interpretation is the only
right one. They consider Christian Theology a joke.
Say, many people came to know and accept Messiah through main stream
denominational congregations. Yes, they have gone off on tangents but if they
speak about my Messiah' s death,burial and ressurection... this is what
brings salvation.
I applaud your boldness in speaking out.
Roi Levine Garcia
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From: David Penrose
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Hostile toward Christians?
Eddie,
I would like to address an issue raised by a writer, who recently
expressed "slight hostility" toward believers who are "Christian
bashing."
The message is simple. If you were trying to reason with a murderer
you could not, should not even give a hint of support for their
behavior! You must know that sin -is- sin! No sin is worse than
another! So, not keeping even ONE of the ten commandments
(decalogue) makes the person a sinner. And, what does Paul
write ... "Avoid every kind of evil."(I Thessalonians 5:22)
If anyone is being hostile, it is Christians who do not accept the
authority of Yeshua (his teachings were pro-Torah) and the Torah.
Paul admonished believers to have nothing to do with them.
Sinning routinely (breaking G-d's commandments), and promoting pagan
practices? We should be accepting of these? How quickly we forget that
we are to purge the evil from among us. That means that after the
spiritual victory is obtained (through Yeshua, blessed be He) ... we
are responsible for the behavioral!
What murderer should be free because they are a nice person? What
kind of a nice person would murder someone? My words are strong, I know.
Eddie is too diplomatic to say something that would offend someone.
However, I am not! And, neither was our Lord and Savior, Yeshua. He
offended the status quo and they weren't happy until he was crucified.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, do not teach that
Christianity has something to offer while the majority of churches
continue to teach their members to SIN!
Yeshua said (Matthew 19:17)
"...if you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
An important note to your readers. We (believers) have an obligation
to align our behaviors according to G-d's instructions (Torah).
Evidence ...
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the
knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire
that will consume the enemies of G-d. Anyone who rejected the law
of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three
witnesses.
HOW MUCH MORE serverly do you think a man deserves to be punished
who has trampled the Son of G-d under foot, who has treated as an
ungodly thing the blood of the convenant that sanctified him,
and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
(Hebrews 10:26-29)
David Penrose
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>From Eddie:
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I believe the correct balance is found in Ephesians 4:15-16
at it is written:
"But speaking the TRUTH in LOVE may GROW up into him in all things,
which is the head even Christ. From whom the whole body fitly joined
together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according
to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh
increase of the body unto the EDIFYING of itself in LOVE"
I embrace speaking the TRUTH. I also embrace speaking the truth
in LOVE. All truth and no love is out of balance. All love and no
truth is also out of balance. Love speaks the truth but does so to edify.
This is the heart of this newsgroup and Hebraic Heritage Ministries.
I am very thankful and grateful for my denominational
upbringing. It was here that I learned about my Messiah and learned
to love God, His Word and His ways. Therefore, I love and appreciate
the church and all the Godly people who love God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength within it.
However, the church is not perfect. The church has faults and
errors just as individual believers has faults and errors. Realizing
some of the ways in which the church errors, LOVE seeks to encourage,
uplift and edity other believers to GROW in the knowledge and
understanding the Messiah and the ways of God's Kingdom.
I appreciate the good that the church has given me but I also realize
some of it's shortcomings, I am thankful that God poured out His
Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) upon my life and has given me a love for
my Hebraic Roots, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. I am
thankful that God has shown me some of the richness of the spiritual
truths concerning the sabbath and the Biblical holidays. For me, it
is a joy and a high honor to be able to share what God has taught me
regarding the Hebraic/Jewish roots of my faith with other believers
in Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah and encourage them to embrace their
hebraic heritage also.
For all of us, this is a process. None of us got to where we
are in our understanding overnite. Somebody had to be patient with us
and teach us about our roots. As teachers, we are to share the same
patience and understanding for others that God has shown to each and
every one of us as we grew in our understanding of our Hebraic Roots
and saw the need to adapt our beliefs and our ways.
In order to grow, we need to be taught the truth. In order to
grow, we need to be shown love, patience and understanding. Let us
all rejoice in the fact that Yeshua/Jesus is Messiah and encourage
each other to embrace our Hebraic/Jewish roots and allow each one of
us to be led by the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) as He shows us our
need to adapt our beliefs and change those areas in our spiritual
life where we need to grow in a greater knowledge of Messiah
(especially in embracing our Hebraic/Jewish roots).
Shalom in Messiah
Eddie
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