Subject: Re: Passover Week
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:07:13 +0000
To: "Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup"
Rob Hill wrote:
>
>I've been preparing to teach on the Seder and the last week of Christ's
>life. As I put it all down on paper I get a little confused. The whole
>idea of the day ending and beginning at sundown seems to be throwing me off
>a bit, and no matter how many times I diagram it out, it still seems a
>little off.
>
>Here is what I've got so far. Could you tell me where I'm off on this
>chronology of events that make up the last week of Christ's life?
>
>1.) Saturday Nisan 8, 33 A.D.:
>Christ stops by Lazarus' house for a big dinner where a woman named Mary
>(which one?) anointed Jesus' feet with perfume. (By the way, would this
>meal have been at lunch on Saturday the 8th or supper on Monday the 9th -
>after sundown?)
>
>
> 2.) Sunday Nisan 9, 33 A.D.:
> Palm Sunday. This is the day that the lambs that will be used for
> the Seders are lead into Jerusalem. Is this also the day that Jesus
> drove out the money changers from the Court of the Gentiles?
>
> 3.) Monday Nisan 10, 33 A.D.:
> This would be four (4) days before the Last Supper. Christ, like
> the lamb, would be examined for four (4) days in the temple - from Monday,
> Nisan 10 through Thursday, Nisan 13.
>
> 4.) Tuesday Nisan 11, 33 A.D.:
> Jesus says, "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the
> Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified" (Mat. 26:2)
>
> 5.) Wednesday Nisan 12, 33 A.D.:
> Would this be the day when the Jewish women would clean the house of
> the leaven?
>
> 6.) Thursday Nisan 13, 33 A.D.:
> The day begins at sundown with the Bedikat HaMetz. The leaven would
> be thrown into the fire at sun up. (Was this only done at the
> temple or would a synagogue do?) For those who chose to celebrate the Passover
> Seder on the 14th of Nisan, their lambs would be slaughtered at 3
> o'clock this afternoon. This is the day that the lamb for the Last
> Supper was to be killed.
>
> 7.) Friday Nisan 14, 33 A.D.:
> The disciples and Christ started the day with the Last Supper after
> sundown. He was tried, convicted, executed and buried all before
> sundown would come again.
>
> 8.) Saturday Nisan 15, 33 A.D.:
> This is a "High Holy day" because it was the sabbath and the Feast
> of Unleavened Bread. Caiaphas would have had his Seder on this day
> right after Christ was buried. (Yikes! that must have been a real
> "bummer" when he died and realized the irony there, huh?)
>
> 9.) Sunday Nisan 16, 33 A.D.:
> This was the Feast of First Fruits and the day that Christ was
> resurrected. Fifty days later, on Sivan the 6th, was Pentecost. The three (3)
> days of Christ's death were: the last part of Friday, Nisan 14, all of
> Saturday, Nisan 15, and then part of Sunday, Nisan 16. In this
> case, partial days count as "days", right?
>
> Okay, that is pretty much the best that I've been able to do on this
> one. I sure do appreciate you letting me know where this is right
> and where it is wrong. I'm sure that some will disagree on things
> like the year - and I do want to explore that, too, but for now I really need to find out
> about the days and dates within the next 10 days or so to prepare
> for the class.
>
> Also, do the Messianic Jews still set a place for Elijah at the
> Seder?
>
> Thanks so much for your help. You are a real blessing to more
> people than you will ever know.
>
> Rob Hill
> President
> The Historian's Gallery
>
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To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
From: Lori Eldridge
Subject: Re: Passover Week
Hi Rob,
Luke tells us that before Jesus came to Jerusalem he was in Jericho (19:1)
which is about 15 miles from Bethany. John's gospel (12:1) says that Jesus
arrived in Bethany 6 days before Passover where he stayed at Lazarus' house
and a special dinner was prepared for him. The other gospels do not mention
when Jesus arrived at Lazarus' house. If Jesus was crucified on Nisan 14
(preparation day for Passover) then the day he arrived in Bethany would
have been around Nisan 8 and if he traveled that distance all in one day he
probably arrived in the late afternoon. I do not think this would have
happened on the Sabbath because not only would the distance have been
forbidden for anyone to travel that far on the Sabbath the preparation of
the special dinner in his honor also would have been forbidden.
I think Jesus arrived in Bethany before Sunset on a Friday at which time
the special dinner was prepared. I believe he rested the next day which
would have been a Sabbath (Nisan 9) and that the next day (Nisan 10) was
the day of Triumphal entry (which also could not have occurred on a Sabbath
because of the gathering of palm fronts, the donkey carrying Jesus, etc.
--even donkeys weren't allowed to work, see Deut. 5:12-14)
The Mt. of Olives was only a Sabbath day's walk from Jerusalem --1200 yards
(Acts 1:12). However, Bethany was 2 miles from Jerusalem (over the limit of
a sabbath days walk). That means the Mt. of Olives, where Jesus retired the
night he was arrested (the beginnin of Passover Sabbath), was closer to
Jerusalem than Bethany, and Bethany would not have been within the distance
of a Sabbath days walk from Jerusalem. Therefore when we hear that Jesus
retired to Bethany for the night we know it was not on a Sabbath. If you
will read Mark's account of the few days before the crucifixion you will
see that Jesus traveled to Bethany sometime before the 10th, went to
Jerusalem on the 10th, and returned to Bethany the next two nights and then
back to Jerusalem at least as late as the 12th. Luke tells us, on what must
have been the 13th, that Jesus taught in the temple each day and returned
to Bethany each night. (luke 21:37) Therefore none of those days could have
been the weekly Sabbath.
I believe the Passover Sabbath (Nisan 15th) started on sundown Thursday and
the Weekly Sabbath followed right after it starting on sundown Friday till
sundown Saturday. This is why the women didn't have a chance to go buy the
spices until after the back-to-back sabbaths were over just before they
went to the grave the morning Christ rose from the dead.
Having a Sabbath on Nisan 16 is in agreement with the previous Sabbath
occuring on Nisan 9. At neither time is there any mention of anyone doing
any work or walking an illegal distance on those days in the gospels.
If anyone can see any errors in my reasoning please let me know. For more
information see my full article at the following URL:
WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED?
http://www.yfiles.com/crucified.html
Shalom and God Bless,
Lori Eldridge
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From: John Killian
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Subject: Re: Passover Week
Dear Rob Hill and Lori Eldrige:
With all due respect, You both have the days wrong.
Please, please get a copy of the book "The Sabbath Rest or the
esteemed day of the son" This is put out by "First Fruits of Zion"
they have a web page and an office in CO. and Israel. I will be happy
to send you both a copy for free. This is by far the best research
I've ever read on the subject.
By the way Lori, can you tell me ANY year that the 14th of Nisan EVER
landed on a Thursday????
Shalom to both of you,
John Killian
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From: Philip Nowland
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Subject: Re: Passover Week
Hello Rob
You could try and look at an article on my own site -
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~pnowland
It is on the Bible Fact Sheet Page - read BFS450, it is titled - What
day did Jesus Die?
It includes a detailed attempt to breakdown the events from the 9th
Nisan - through to the 25th.
For Lori Eldridge:
Just one little problem about your conclusion that Yeshua dying on a
Thursday. It is just not possible, if He died on the 14th Nisan, for
according to calculations of the days of the week that the 14th of
Nisan can coincide, Thursday is one of the three days in the week that
the 14th does not occur. The other two days when the 14th does not
coincide - are Sunday and Tuesday. If would appear then - if it were
not a Friday, it must have been a Wednesday. I suggest you read my
article - BFS450 - What day did Jesus die?, on the Bible Fact Sheet
page of my Bible Pages site - http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~pnowland
Yours in Yeshua
Philip Nowland - Huntingdon, England
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From: Melchisidek Ministries.
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Passover Week
Lori, we hope you're up for a little friendly disagreement. We have
the cucifixion and death on the fourth day (Wednesday), not the fifth
day, and will justify our belief as follows:
Yehshua was risen prior to sunup on the first day. That was the time
the women went to the tomb with the oils and spices and found the
stone rolled away and the body gone. Did Yahshua rise in the middle of
the night? Don't think so. The daylight hours were the time for
working, and the evening, beginning of the next day, was for resting.
This remains consistent with the creation of man into the Sabath
(completed just before the evening). Also, the Sabath is the day of
healing, as Yahshua spent so much of his good will eith the Pharisees
to prove. Most healings were done in and around the Temple on Sabath.
Right? Of course, the crucifixion and death were on the afternoon of a
day. Likewise, the burial was before sundown, but was done in a hurry
after Yoseph [of Aramethia] claimed the body. Now, Yahshua said he
would remain down for three days and three nights, not thre days and
three and two-thirds nights. Your position is that it was actually
less than 72 hours, but we have to argue that he did not rise during
the dark time, thus must have arisen during the afternoon before the
first day, because it was still dark when the woment went to the empty
tomb. There are scriptures besides the Gospels back in the Nevi'im
that also make reference in shadow to this event that don't truncate
the day into partial days counting as a day. We are forced to conclude
that the crucifixion was on the fourth day (Wednesday) and the
resurection on the seventh (Sabath). I'm responding to over twenty
e-mails plus this bit of good sharing right now, and don't have my
information source data at my fingertips. If you'd like, I can hunt
that down / look it up and argue with you some more. Just remember,
even if one is in error, as obviously one is, it won't effect
slavation or Spiritual condition one iota. The revelations of this
type are of Ruach H'Kadosh, according to His will, and not of the
soul, and I don't claim any particular revelation. I have argued /
discussed the topic with pastors and Rabbis considerably, taking your
position (for sport) and been slapped around (figure of speech) and
proven wrong. I just don't recall all of the details right now of the
proofs. Somehow, I think it's the Firstfruits thing that is causing the
confusion, but that's not possible for the above argued reason(s).
Let me know what you think of this argument.
Melchisidek Ministries.
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From: Eva Schultz
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Subject: Re: Passover Week
Dear Eddie :
Is it permissible to recommend another site that has many
articles on the Passover from many different angles?
Last year he had an article on "Christ's Last Week on Earth" that
was a mind blower! I have just e-mailed them asking if they could put it on
their web site again. Just briefly what was such a mind blower was
that the 'last supper' was on Nissan the 13 at sun down. He was
apprehended that same night at midnight; was sentenced at noon Nissan
13th (John 19:13-14 - John being a good Hebrew would not have used
Roman time, as my protestant minister used to tell me.). Because of
this understanding Ishuah suffered for about 40 hours which to me was
highly significant. He was crucified at 9:00 a.m. our time and died at
3:00 p.m. on Wednesday the 14th of Nissan. Our Passover lamb. Buried
before sundown the same day. and resurrected before sundown Saturday
Nisson 17, 72 hours later (three days and three nights). The two
types of keeping time makes it confusing and Satan has done so on
purpose. Look how many years Christians have been wrong.
If you allow another site to be recommended here it is Triumph
Prophetic Ministries at < http://triumph.simplenet.com/p0000004.htm/ >
Thank you for your site.
Eve Schultz
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From: Delwin Lester
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Subject: Re: Passover Week
Shalom All,
If I may? Yeshua was sacrificed at 3 p.m. on Wednesday (Passover).
He was to be cut off in the midst of the week, and he was to be in the
heart of the earth for three days and three nights. His burial was
rushed because sunset was approaching, and the High Sabbath of
Unleavened Bread began at sunset.
Now, let's count from evening to evening:
Thrusday evening 1st Thrusday 1st
Friday evening 2nd Friday
2nd SAbbath evening 3rd Sabbath 3rd
Remember, Thrusday was the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread, so no
work or buying was performed. Friday the women bought and prepared
spices to balm Yeshua's body. Saturday was Sabbath, and the women
rested according to the commandments. Then, on the first day of the
week, as it began to dawn, they went to the tomb, and (key point)
Yeshua had ALREADY risen. He was not rising! The earthquake was not so
Yeshua could leave the tomb (remember He is now a spiritual body, and
is not limited by walls). It allowed others to see the empty tomb, and
know He had risen.
Now, this brings up another point-- Sunrise sevices! Hmmm, do you
think these may be................... pagan?
Shalom Alechem
Delwin
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From: Gregory Richardson
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Passover Week
There is a lot of confusion over the time of the crucifixion. This is
due to the false assumption that a Sabbath must always fall on the
seventh day. The High Days are also called Sabbaths. Dr Samuele
Bacchiocchi has the same problem because of the term "the preparation
day". In his mind a preparation day only falls before the weekly
Sabbath. In fact one High Day that requires a "preparation day" is
the 15th of Nisan because all leaven must have been removed from each
house before that time. Nisan 14, therefore, could truly be called
"THE preparation day".
There is a lot of debate among scholars over the year of the
crucifixion. Some say it was 31 C.E. and some say 30 C.E. It
appears, when examing the Jewish Calendar for those years that 30 C.E.
is the correct year. This would place the birth of Y'shuah at Tishri
15 of 5 B.C.E. (Remember that you have to subtract 1 year because
there was no zero year). This is one year earlier than what I had
previously believed and taught.
See calendar for April of 30 C.E. at:
http://www.ibc.wustl.edu/~zuker/cgi-bin/g2h-cal.cgi?MONTH=April&YEAR=30
Compare this with the calendar for March of 31 C.E. at:
http://www.ibc.wustl.edu/~zuker/cgi-bin/g2h-cal.cgi?MONTH=March&YEAR=31
As you can see, if the crucifixion occurred in 31 C.E., then Y'shuah
would have been crucified on a Monday. If it occurred in 30 C.E.,
then Y'shuah would have been crucified on a Wednesday.
The death of Y'shuah occurred on Wednesday, Nisan 14, 30 C.E. at 3:00
P.M. He was placed in the tomb at (or barely before) sunset --
basically at the beginning of Nisan 15. The end of Nisan 15 at sunset
Thursday was end of the first day. The end of Nisan 16 at sunset
Friday was the end of the second day. The end of Nisan 17 at sunset
on Sabbath was the end of the third day. Y'shuah rose from the grave
after three days and three nights at sunset Nisan 17, the end of the
seventh day of the week and the beginning of the first day of the
week.
Gregory Richardson
Christian Renewal Ministries International
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2080/
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