>
> From: Ned Siler
> To: "Hebraic
Heritage Newsgroup" <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
>
> Eddie and the Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup:
>
> Shalom meshbochah. baruch ha shem ,ve shem yashuah ha mesheach.
>
> Please help I am looking for material on the history of the church.
> Specifically, the church as it was part of the synagogue and its
> eventual separation. also concerning the changing of Sabbath and
> feasts. any historical or archeological books would be excellent .
> If possible I would like for these books to be scholarly and first
> source. I don't mind dry reading . I have some of this material but
> would like to cover as much ground as possible.as a group we can do
> just that. any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks again, and thanks Eddie for making this request possible.
>
> Baruch ha shem laolam vaed .........
>
> let us go up to the house of Adoni and learn his way
> ...amen..............
>
> Ned Siler
>
From: Mike Adams
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
Ned-
I too am interested in the same subject matter, but am very far behind
where you appear to be. I would be very interested in what you find
out or have already discovered. There has always been a question of
"Why", "When" and "How" the division and start of the
"Christian"
Holidays and the setting aside of the original Jewish roots came to
pass. Lately my search for the answers to those questions has become
more and more interesting to me. I am sure I am not the only none
acedamian that would be intriged by your findings. Please keep us
informed of your discoveries.
G-d Bless
Mike Adams
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From: "HaY'Did" <shalom@haydid.org>
Organization: HaY'Did Learning Center
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
Dear Ned,
Sounds like you may have some of the materials already, but you may
want to check out Dr. Ron Moseley's Yeshua book and possibly our
catalog. Arkansas Institute has some fine classes that your group may
also want to explore. Be sure to read Dr. Brad Young's three books
(his new Jesus and His Jewish Parables book will be available from us
after Sept 1 if you want to pre-order) and our nature books would help
you get a well rounded start. I also highly recommend Tal Ilan's book
JEWISH WOMEN IN GRECO-ROMAN PALESTINE. This book is on the cutting
edge of information about women's studies. Like I said, be sure to
check out our catalog.
Shalom, Cheryle
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From: Paul Jablonowski
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
The book "Our Father Abraham" by Marvin Wilson is a good start for the
Jewish history of the church.
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From: Joseph Berkley
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
An excellent starting place to understanding the Jewish Roots and what
caused the separation of the believers in Messiah and the Jews is Dr.
Marvin Wilson's book "Our Father Abraham"
Joe Berkley
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From: Rusty Bullerman
To: <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
A pretty good intro at least to the synagogue phase of the church
history is Ron Moseley's "Yeshua"
Rusty
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From: Jan Kapteyn
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
Ned,
Try to get hold of the book "Jerusalem, One City, three
faiths" by Karen Armstrong. published by Alfred A.Knoph, New York. I
do not particularly like her view point, however it is a good start,
but it's main advantage is the excellent Bibliography attached.
Fifteen pages, with practically every book written about the subject
of early Church times listed. BEWARE about every historical writer is
biased one way or an other. Always try to compare several writers on
the same subject.
Regards,
Jan J.C.Kapteyn
HomePage
http://www.gironet.nl/home/kapteynj/home.htm
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From: Art Miekowski
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
Ned
An excellent source of material on our Jewish roots is a book entitled
"Our Father Abraham" by Marvin R. Wilson. It is a very scholarly
written book and it can be bought through "The HayDid Learning Center"
at www.haydid.org.
Art Miekowski
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From: Brenna Moore
To: <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
There is an excellent book written by "Samuele Bacchiocchi" called
"From Sabbath to Sunday". To buy this book you can send a check for
14.95 to:
Biblical Perspectives
4990 Appian Way
Berrien Springs,
Michigan 49103
Brenna
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To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Our Jewish roots
From: Ruben Barrett
Dear Ned,
I'm responding to your question that you posted to the Hebraic Heritage
Network. First of all, for a general and simple church history source
you might try the the Eerdman's Handbook to the History of
Christianity, Tim Dowley, ed. (1977). There is an updated version of
the book, but it is a real nice, though brief, source of basic
information. It is full of photos,maps,etc. It is not the best out
there, but it or something like it will have brief articles about
early church life, the source for church traditions, etc.
In addition to that, just about any basic church history book will
have a chapter or small section about the move away from Judaic
traditions. For example, "Two Kingdoms:The Church and Culture
Throughout the Ages" by Clouse, Pierard & Yamauchi, Moody Press, 1993
(pp.17-40). Unfortunately these types of books usually just report
that the split happened, and don't deal with the why's & how come's.
Also, I highly recommend (if you don't have it yet) "Our Father
Abraham:Jewish Roots of the Christian Faith" by Marvin R. Wilson,
Eerdman's, 1989 (specifically Section 2:Church and Synagogue in the
Light of History) .
Another source is "Hebrew Christianity:Its Theology, History, and
Philosophy" by Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Baker Book House, 1974 (p.35ff).
There are many original sources if you can get your hands on them.
You will not usually find fast answers this way, but they are sources
for understanding what New Testament and Early church life and culture
were really like. Besides the Scriptures themselves you might give
these a try:
The Talmud
The Works of Josephus
The Works of Philo
The Works of Eusebius
The Apostolic Fathers
The Shepherd of Hermas
The Didache (Teaching of the Twelve)
The Dead Sea Scrolls
The Fragments of Hegesippus
The Works of Seutonius
The Works of Tacitus
The Writings of Pliny
The Writings of Justin
Reconstructing history is not always an easy task. There is
disagreement over many issues of early church history. These many
sources hopefully will help. G-d will reward you for your hard study.
Now, in short, a brief attempt to answer your question: Everyone
knows that our faith started from within 1st century Judaism. Once
Gentiles started to accept the Gospel there began a diversion from
Jewish tradition. The very first Gentile Christians were interpreted
by the Jerusalem Council as righteous because of their faith. Like
the Godfearers of their day they were not considered Jews. However
they were expected to follow the established rules of the Covenant
with Noah (Acts 15) as righteous Gentiles. Paul later argued against
this (e.g. Rom 14:14,20;1 Cor. 8). The bottom line is that Jewish
Christians retained their Jewish heritage, and Gentiles did likewise,
except in cases where it contradicted their new faith. Jewish
believers continued to worship in the temple until its destruction,
kept sabbath and kosher laws, as well as celebrated the biblical
feasts. They were not considered means of salvation, but means of
worship, commanded by God, and reinterpreted in the light of the new
Messiah.
The big split between the two faiths occured (I believe) in two
separate stages: First, when the curse against Jewish Christians was
added to the synagogue benedictions in the second century, and
(second) when Constantine issued the edict in the third century that
Christians were to have nothing to do with the wretched Jews (issued
along with the edict that the Church no longer recognised passover as
an acceptable holiday).
I hope this information helps. I would be happy to answer any further
questions you may have. HaDavar (the Word) Ministries is a new
ministry whose purpose is to promote the Hebraic heritage of the
Christian faith. For more information, please see our website at
www.angelfire.com/mo/hadavar To recieve
a free newsletter please let
me know. Have a great day!
BaMashiach,
Ruben Barrett
HaDavar Ministries
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