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Subject: Luke 2: The Birth of Yeshua/Jesus
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:17:12 -0800
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From: Steve Howard
Subject: The Birthday of Yeshua during Sukkot
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Eddie,
I have always heard that Y'shua's ministry lasted 3 and a half years,
although, I have not found scriptural references to this. Half a year
away from 15 Tishri is 15 Nisan on the Jewish calender. Therefore, if
Y'shua started his ministry on his 30th birthday(Luke3:23, Numbers
4:47), Sukkot, then exactly 3 and a half years later would have meant
he died immediately prior to the Passover on the 15 of Nisan. This is
exactly what happened. Further evidence, although simplistic, of a
Sukkot birthday.
Steve
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heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com wrote:
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> From: Eddie Chumney
> To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
> Subject: The Birth of Yeshua during Sukkot
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> THE BIRTH OF YESHUA DURING SUKKOT
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> time of the first century, Chanukah was known as the second Sukkot.
> During the time of Chanukah, all the Sukkot prayers would be prayed
> again. Mary's dialogue with the angel Gabriel is still found in the
> Sukkot liturgy today.
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Dear Eddie,
Is it possible to obtain a copy of the Sukkot liturgy which has Mary's
dialoge in it?
Chris Johnson
>From Uri Marcus:
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-- 5. What is the most famous Jewish historical event that occured in
the Succah, and why?
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The birth of Y'shua HaMashiach. Because
of the themes of the holiday, and because of customs that Jewish
people have always performed, there could be no other day in the
Jewish Calendar, in my opinion, in which this event would be played
out, from a Jewish perspective.
The terms used by the angels in Luke 2 to the Shepherds were: "I bring
you good news of great joy that will be for all the peoples."
The first part of the phrase is good news of great joy. The season of
our Joy is Succot. We are commanded to rejoice at this time.
With Yeshua's birth at Succot, we also can set His circumcision on
Simchat Torah, which is the eigth day after Succot began. Today, this
is a day of great joy. And why not, since Yeshua was the living Torah?
What better time to enhance His link to the Torah than have His
circumcision occur on Simchat Torah, the day of rejoicing in the Torah
when we parade around with the Torah scroll. He too (Yeshua) was
paraded around in the Temple and put into the hands of Simeon at His
circumcision and there Simeon would have given his testimoney about
the consolation of Israel.
Now, for those of you have stamina and want to follow some very
interesting comparisons between NT passages and the Artscroll Machzor
(Jewish prayerbook) for Succot, you will note some amazing parallels:
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1. From the Artscroll Machzor for Succot, Shacharit service, Second
day, Chazzan's repetition, page 293, under "GOD'S MIGHT"
"With an offering of seventy bulls, I made peace on this Festival with
the seventy nations..."
Compare with: Luke 2:14, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth
peace among men with whom He is pleased."
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2. From the Artscroll Machzor for Succot, Shacharit service, Shabbot
Chol HaMoed, under the Shema and its Blessings, p. 501 with the
responsive reading in the grey box:
"They stand at their watches, in morning's light and evening's watch,
resonantly singing out praise, cheer and trumpet-like voices growing
ever stronger, and the Chayot (animals) running to and fro like the
appearance of a brilliant flash... Kaftziel the master, sounds out the
tidings (good news) that the bow** will not be diminished... The
multitudinous legion, establish a time (moed) to recite G-d's
praise..."
----------------------- First comparison ------------------------
"They stand at their watches, in morning's light and evening's watch,
resonantly singing out praise..."
Luke 2:8, "And in the same region there were shepherds staying out in
the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night..."
----------------------- Second comparison ------------------------
"...and the Chayot running to and fro like the appearance of a
brilliant flash... Kaftziel the master, sounds out the tidings (good
news)..."
Luke 2:9-10, "And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and
the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terribly
frightened. And the angel said to them, 'Do not be afraid, for behold,
I bring you good news (tidings) of a great joy which shall be for all
the people..."
----------------------- Third comparison ------------------------
"...that the bow will not be diminished**...The multitudinous legion,
establish a time (moed) to recite G-d's praise..."
Luke 2:13-14, "And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude
of the heavenly host praising G-d, and saying 'Glory to G-d in the
highest, and on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased..."
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**Artscroll footnote, bottom of page 500, on the phrase "the bow will
not be diminished" - "Keshet Lo Yechsar is an allusion to the Messiah
of the royal house of Judah..."
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3. Artscroll Machzor for Succot, under Ushpizin, first two nights, p.
86-87...
"Enter, exalted holy guests, enter, exalted holy Patriarchs, to be
seated in the shade of the exalted faithfulness in the shade of the
Holy One, Blessed is He. Enter, Avraham, the beloved one, Moshe, the
faithful shepherd, Aaron the holy Kohen, Yosef, the righteous one, and
David the anointed king. In succot you shall dwell, be seated, exalted
guests, be seated; be seated, guests of faithfulness, be seated."
So, we see Succot is the time set aside for reciting the Ushpizin (The
Guests). According to very ancient tradition, each of the seven
nights, we are to invite one of what we call, 'The seven shepherds' or
guests into our succah. The seven shepherds, also called the exalted
guests (ushpizin) are: Avraham, Yitchak, Ya'acov, Moshe, Aaron, Yosef
and David in that order. A person should rejoice each and every day of
the festival of Succot together with these guests who take lodging
with him.
Compare this with the birth narrative recorded in Luke 2, that the
messengers of G-d appear to shepherds and invite them into the succah
to dwell where the baby Messiah is laying? (Luke 2:12). Why shepherds?
Why not some shopkeepers or rabbis or iron-smelters, or farmers,
etc...?
And how many shepherds did the angels appear to in the field? I would
suspect seven, though the text does not mention for sure.
Yes, Yeshua's birth was at Succot .
Uri
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