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From the Website:

http://triblive.com/ruddy/020799.html

Defector says Russian plan to dupe
America is working

By Christopher Ruddy
FOR THE TRIBUNE-REVIEW

WASHINGTON - Russia cannot threaten the United States.
She is poor. She is weak. She is starving. She is in
chaos.

Think again, says Stanislav Lunev.

Col. Lunev is the highest ranking military intelligence
officer ever to have defected from Russia. He did so in
1992 after the Soviet Union dissolved and Boris Yeltsin
had come to power.

At the time of his defection Lunev was living in
Washington with his wife, working a cover job as a
journalist for TASS, the Russian news agency, while
doing his real job: spying on America.

As a GRU officer Lunev's spying related to military
matters: gathering information on America's military
plans; reporting on U.S. vulnerabilities; devising
special operations in the advent of war.

Last year, Lunev detailed just some of his activities
in a new book he co-authored with Ira Winkler, "Through
the Eyes of the Enemy: Russia's Highest Ranking
Military Defector Reveals Why Russia is More Dangerous
than Ever" (Regnery, (800) 639-7629).

The book is a light read with some sensational details
about Russian plans to bring suitcase nuclear bombs
into America and to use special forces to assassinate
the president and congressional, military and other
leaders during the initial phases of a war.

Lunev claims in "Through the Eyes of the Enemy" that
Russian military leaders still view a war with the
United States as "inevitable" and that the Cold War
never really ended.

Save for some talk radio outlets and the Internet,
Lunev's book got little media coverage. This comes as
no surprise since most Americans believe the United
States won the Cold War. Russia is not a threat and any
suggestion that it is has to be written off as just
paranoid jingoism.

Lunev is used to unfriendly receptions. When he did
defect, higher-ups at the CIA and the Pentagon did not
accept what he had to say.

What he said was rather simple. Russia is continuing
its old ways. The military is still preparing for war
against the United States. A nuclear war.

In the era of fuzzy warm feelings between the United
States and Russia, American officials were not going to
upset the applecart no matter how much evidence Lunev
offered.

In the intervening years, Russia has appeared to
further disintegrate. Can she really be a threat?
skeptics ask. Lunev most certainly has been proven
wrong.

Lunev says think again. He retorts that Russia still
retains a formidable military-industrial complex. She
is one of the world's largest arms exporters. She makes
quality products and delivers them on time.

Russia continues to build nuclear submarines, bombers
and missiles. Last year Yeltsin commissioned Peter the
Great, the largest ballistic missile cruiser ever built
by mankind. This past Christmas, Russia deployed a
regiment of 10 Topol-M intercontinental ballistic
missiles, missiles reportedly more sophisticated than
anything we have. Just last month, Russia unveiled her
stealth bomber. The New York Times reports Russia
continues to build huge underground bunkers, some as
large as cities, in case of war. She also continues to
build an arsenal of chemical and biological weapons.
Russia's nuclear arsenal remains the world's largest.
She continues testing of her nuclear weapons.

Such facts demonstrate that Lunev, who refuses to be
photographed for security reasons, is not to be
dismissed.

INTERVIEW

Colonel Lunev, you were first and foremost a spy for
Russia who posed as a journalist. In your book you
discuss the help you received from American
journalists. How significant was the Russian
penetration of the American press corps? How many
American journalists were working for Russia?

In my book I talk about myself. Keep this in mind, when
I worked in TASS' Washington bureau, I had two
colleagues from the KGB also working as agents.

So we had plenty of people undercover working as
journalists. How many people they recruited? I don't
know. But I can tell you that journalists, American
journalists and foreign journalists in this country,
were considered a major target. They were the same
level of target as military, government personnel or
Capitol Hill staff.

When you say targets, you mean?

Recruits.

It has been acknowledged that the East German
government had as many as 5,000 spies working for it in
West Germany.

East German intelligence was very successful. Very
successful. I don't know exactly how many people they
recruited, but they were very successful. Not only in
penetrations through Western Germany and the European
establishment, but through American institutions
located in Western Europe.

What do you think the degree of penetration is of the
U.S. government by communist or former communist
countries in the CIA, the FBI, and State Department?

It could be hundreds. But I don't know the exact
number.

Recently the FBI admitted there were a couple of
hundred open cases of espionage they were
investigating. These are the ones they know about. So
you can multiply this number by many times to guess the
number of people who are working as spies whom the
government does not know about.

You were not only a spy, but a military intelligence
officer. Your work involved developing military plans
and learning of other countries' plans. What did you
study when you were in military schools in Russia?

We had a lot of special subjects we needed to learn,
including military science. We learned basic ways of
commanding armies and how to conduct military
operations.

How much of your training and education was geared
toward fighting a nuclear war?

All of our educational process and training was
connected to the actual fulfillment of military plans
in time of a nuclear war.

Your book suggests that the whole Russian military
structure, the whole society during the Soviet era was
geared for a nuclear war, and that has not changed
under the new regime.

Yes. The Soviet plan was the use of strategic forces to
destroy strategic targets in America and the West,
followed by the use of nuclear and conventional forces.
This was the Soviet way, and the Russian military still
thinks the same way today. They are much more dangerous
now because the Russian military is relying more on
their nuclear weapons.

What about a first strike on the United States?

The likely plan does not include use of missiles first.
First the Russians would use their special operation
forces, special troops, inside of the United States to
destroy targets like communications facilities,
airfields, command centers, and other targets that
might be difficult to destroy with a missile attack.

Suitcase nuclear bombs at strategic locations are just
one small part of their arsenal. I mentioned this in my
book and I have been so surprised that the American
public is so interested in this. Why? This is not
something unusual for Russian military plans.

One of your jobs here in the U.S. as a spy was to look
for locations to hook up these suitcase nukes to
electric power sources.

It's not really necessary to have an electric power
source because the devices can work on a battery. But
not for very long.

Are there such bombs in the United States already?

It's possible.

How soon could this war come?

The Russian conventional forces are not in a state of
readiness. Their rocket and nuclear forces are. This
war scenario could be in place by the request of
Russian government in a short time.

Russia is a country on the edge of social explosion.
The total decline of living conditions: human,
industrial, political, social, and now the financial
crisis. This could lead to war. It's dangerous because
the Russians may consider their only option is to use
the "gun." At the same time, the United States has been
destroying its nuclear forces.

Yes! I am sorry, but let me ask you, what's going on in
this country? Right now the Russians are engaging in
criminal extortion for money. This is the same method
criminals use. Every other day, in conversations with
Western leaders, the Russians are saying "show me the
money or something dangerous will happen in my country
with tens of thousands of nuclear warheads." It's
extortion.

There could be an explosion, a catastrophe. It could
happen in Russia, and somebody like a major general or
a one-star general or colonel will come to power
without any international experience. If such a person
would come to power, pushing the nuclear button would
be no problem.

If that happened, how long would it take for a strong
leader to get the conventional forces ready if he
wanted to start a nuclear war against the United
States?

A few months. You have to remember that the Russians
have the same number of submarines, nuclear missile
submarines, ships, bombers, fighters, tanks and the
like as they did at the height of Soviet military
power. I know that Russian military downswing was
connected with Army divisions only, and these divisions
could be rebuilt in weeks or months.

China also is moving closer to Russia. China has the
largest conventional army in the world. What danger
does that pose?

If China and Russia would ally in a war against the
United States, with Russia providing the strategic
weapons and China the troops, they could begin the war
tomorrow.

Recent press reports state that the Russians have been
helping the Chinese develop ballistic missile
technology.

I would say that actually the Chinese missile industry
was created by the Soviet Union, by Soviet specialists,
by Soviet technology and by education of Chinese
engineers and scientists in Soviet institutions. So the
Soviet Union, let's say, played the major role in the
establishment of the Chinese missile industry. But this
was in the '50s before the Sino-Russia split. This
split was healed in the late 1980s and any ideological
obstacle for helping China was removed. China, of
course, pays big money to Russia for this technology.

Well, it does seem that some steps the Russians are
taking suggest war preparations. They are building a
huge underground complex in the Ural Mountains. Have
you heard about that?

You ask about Yamantau Mountain. Well, this is a huge
underground city which could be used in time when many
Russian cities are destroyed, but the military and
political elite will survive and live until our planet
will try to restore itself.

The American military is downsizing because there is no
Warsaw Pact. We have let down our defenses. If the
Russians were to launch a first strike, a surprise
attack against the United States, they could wipe us
almost off the map. European countries like Britain and
France have small nuclear arsenals. If the U.S. does
not exist, Russia rules the world because after an
attack, she will still have a huge nuclear arsenal.

Yes.

Is it possible that the Russian Communists planned
this? That the intelligence agencies and the military
establishment said, "Hey, if we give up Eastern Europe,
if we throw open the economy, democratize, allow the
country to seem in chaos, the Americans will let down
their guard. We can get them to reduce their strategic
nuclear forces, and they won't think of us as a
threat."

I believe there was a plan. I cannot prove it to you.
It is my hunch this is what happened. This is based on
my experiences, things I saw going on. Because now, six
years later, it looks like it was planned, but at that
time we didn't have any idea that it was possible to
plan all this activity.

Well, it seems to me the most important information you
have is that the Cold War isn't over: that the Russian
military believes inevitably that there will be a war
with the United States.

In April of 1998, Russia used its strategic bombers in
an exercise against the United States. These exercises
were organized for the future war against America.
Before that there were several nuclear exercises.

In the fall of 1998, President Yeltsin commissioned
Peter the Great, the world's largest nuclear missile
cruiser. They have been doing ground forces exercises.
Airborne force exercises. All of these exercises are
being conducted for a reason, for the future war
against America.

What do you think are the chances, I know this is
highly speculative, that there will be a nuclear global
war between Russia and the United States within the
next five years?

I need to repeat myself. In a time of social explosion
in Russia, nobody can exclude the possibility that it
will begin. Preparations for this nuclear war are now
being made in Russia.

Would the Russian people support such a war?

In recent years and times, the feelings of the Russian
people toward America have begun to change. The Russian
people believe the United States is giving money to the
corrupt Russian government, which never helps the
ordinary Russians. America has identified herself so
strongly with Yeltsin, and now Yeltsin and his
government are viewed as corrupt.

There is a perception that America, who destroyed the
old Soviet Union, is again trying to destroy Russia.

A former American general, Benjamin Partin, suggested
that after the Allies had beaten Hitler in World War
II, and the new German government was filled with
ex-Nazis in the Cabinet, ex-Nazis in the military,
ex-Nazis in the private businesses, would we believe we
won? General Partin notes that in today's Russia,
ex-Communists, many high-level Soviet officials, run
most of the government and private businesses. Most of
the republics are run by former Communists.

Well, almost all, yes. General Partin is correct in his
concerns.

It appears that in 1917 when the Communists came to
power in Russia, they were not much more than organized
crime figures.

Yes, they are the same. They are together. There is no
difference.

It seems this permanent government will be always
seeking domination, whether official or through
organized crime means.

And you are right, but how will you sell this idea to
America?

You can't sell it to America, because they believe all
the bad guys just gave up with the end of the Cold War.
One day it was all over, we won. End of story.

You should know this did not happen in one day, like on
Christmas Day of 1991 when Gorbachev dissolved the
Soviet Union. A long time before this the KGB began to
transfer Communist Party money to private accounts
under the names of different people in Western
countries.

At the same time the KGB moved some of their very
experienced people, including generals, sometimes
four-star generals, into the new private businesses
being formed in Russia. For example, former KGB agents
joined financial and industrial groups. Since they had
intelligence backgrounds, they could be placed in
various positions, like vice president in charge of
personnel or foreign operations.

The KGB established these private accounts, controlled
by their own people using money from the CCCP - the
Communist Party assets - for the future, for the future
restoration of communism.

The power of organized crime in Russia developed so
quickly. What role did the KGB play in its rise to
power?

The KGB and the old-line Communists needed to use
criminals in this phase because who had experience in
money laundering? Who has connections with drug
cartels? With other organized crime groups in Western
countries? The KGB worked closely with these groups and
actually provided passports and permission for
criminals to travel abroad.

Organized crime in Russia has existed for a long time,
as long as anyone can remember. Yet the criminals never
played any sufficient or important role in Russian or
Soviet society until the so-called reforms were begun
under Gorbachev.

You mentioned earlier that the KGB transferred funds
outside of Russia for the future restoration of the
Communist Party.

Yes, for the future.

So people are thinking in terms of restoring the
Communist Party there?

Yes, I think that they made plans to bring back the
Communists. The Politburo accomplished this at the end
of the 1980s and the early '90s when millions, if not
billions, of dollars from Communist Party accounts were
transferred by KGB officers with assistance and help
from criminals.

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