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Subject:       Arutz-7 News: Sunday, Nov. 18, 2001
Arutz Sheva News Service
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Sunday, Nov. 18, 2001 / Kislev 3, 5762
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TODAY'S HEADLINES:
    1. PM SHARON:  "NO MONEY FOR MURDERERS"
    2. LABOR MK: IT'S EITHER THEM OR US
    3. THE RIGHT WING'S ALTERNATIVE
1. PM SHARON:  "NO MONEY FOR MURDERERS"
Today's news involved a series of quotes uttered by Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon at various forums, as well as significant statements made by other
political leaders.
Sharon began by repeating his pledge, at the beginning of today's Cabinet
meeting, not to conduct any talks regarding a Palestinian state before a
discussion is held on the matter in the government.  Sharon made this
statement in response to a request by Tourism Minister Benny Elon that he
relate to Foreign Minister Peres' speech on Thursday in the UN.  Peres gav=
e
Palestinian hopes a strong push when he said there, "Although this is not
yet a formal policy of the Government of Israel, there is support [in
Israel] for Palestinian independence, support for a Palestinian
state."  Elon demanded again today that Sharon fire Peres, or at least
public disassociate himself from his Foreign Minister's remarks.
Later in the day, Sharon appeared at a joint press conference with visitin=
g
Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt, the current rotating president of
the European Union.  Sharon repeated the Israeli demand for seven days of
total quiet and a six-week cooling-off period before resuming negotiations
with the PA - "even if U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell calls upon
Israel to tone down this demand in his speech tomorrow...    We remain
committed to the agreement we made with the Americans: total quiet, then
seven days to ensure that the quiet is maintained, and then six weeks of
cooling-off.  It was agreed clearly with the Americans that no stage would
begin until the preceding one is totally fulfilled."
Secretary Powell's speech tomorrow is being anxiously awaited because it
will set the guidelines for the American vision of a framework here.  "Wha=
t
is causing the tension," Itim News Agency reporter Yoram Levy said, "is th=
e
question of whether or not he will nullify the demand for seven days of
quiet..."
When Verhofstadt said that the past 12 days of quiet represent a positive
development in the peace process, Sharon countered sharply that in the pas=
t
12 days there were 268 terrorist incidents against Israel, costing five
Israeli dead.  "During this period, we arrested 35 wanted terrorists, whil=
e
Arafat arrested only one - and [based on past experience,] we don't know
how much time he will remain in prison."
Prime Minister Sharon explained that Israel does not remit funds to the PA
because "we refuse to pay the salaries of those who murder us."  He called
upon the European Union, as well, not to send financial aid to the
Palestinian Authority:  "Your money is used to buy weapons that are
directed against the State of Israel."  Sharon suggested that EU aid shoul=
d
be in the form of investments in the construction of
factories.  Verhofstadt acknowledged that there is a tendency to think tha=
t
the EU is pro-Palestinian, but "it's not true; we are neutral=E0  There mu=
st
be an arrangement, namely, two states side-by-side."
Sharon sharply attacked Yasser Arafat, saying that Israel faces "terror an=
d
incitement originating with Arafat, who leads a coalition of terrorism wit=
h
the participation of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizbullah, Fatah, Tanzim, and
Force 17."
"Our purpose today," Sharon said, "is to bring about a ceasefire and
quiet.  The negotiating staff that I have established, headed by myself an=
d
with the participation of Peres, will conduct talks for a ceasefire when
there is quiet.  When the terrorism stops, then we will be able to talk
about peace."
2. LABOR MK: IT'S EITHER THEM OR US
The National Union-Yisrael Beiteinu strategy may be working.  Labor MKs
seem to have been very upset with anti-Peres remarks made at a memorial
weekend for the assassinated Rehavam Ze'evi in Jerusalem, and MK Ofir
Pines-Paz even threatened today that his party would not be able to remain
in the same coalition with NUYB, and called upon Prime Minister Sharon to
choose between the two parties.  The two MKs were particularly upset with
repeated calls by National Union leader Tourism Minister Benny Elon for th=
e
dismissal of Foreign Minister Peres.  Elon and his party colleagues are
presumably happy with Pines' threat; in response to puzzlement about their
membership in a government that expresses many of Shimon Peres' ideas, the=
y
have often said that they would much rather cause Peres to leave the
government than to leave themselves.
MK Cabel said that it is inconceivable for every right-wing gathering to
become a forum for strong criticism of Peres and others who promote the
Oslo process.  He demanded that the Attorney-General investigate last
night's speakers.  Some 600 people participated in last night's closing
event of the memorial Shabbat for Ze'evi, which was sponsored by the
Arutz-7 Events Department.  Some participants sported buttons with the
pictures of Arafat and Peres and the caption, "Oslo Criminals."
Selected quotes from last night's event:
Peres' remarks in the UN were akin to "me giving a speech in the UN saying
that most of the nation is in favor of transfer [of Arabs out of Judea and
Samaria] but that it is not yet official government policy." - Tourism
Minister Benny Elon
	
"We need elections now, when our opponents, the opponents of Zionism, thos=
e
who would reverse our power, are in the weakest position they have been in
generations.  They have never consumed themselves with internal fighting a=
s
they have now...  Elections would enable us to get rid of Shimon Peres, th=
e
great informer against the State of Israel, the great weaver of lies
against Israel, who unceasingly undercuts against the Zionism of
pioneering, of labor, of settlement. " - Moshe Shamir, writer
"The alternative that I propose is patience and the realization that there
will not be peace." - MK Tzvi Hendel
"We must reconquer all the Yesha areas=E0  What's our alternative to
Arafat?  We are the alternative to Arafat.  There will be full Israeli
security control there."  - former MK Chanan Porat
"What Sharon said was 1,000 times worse than what Peres said.  Why are you
lashing out at Peres?  If you are honest, you must lash out at Sharon."  -
Atty. Elyakim HaEtzni
3. THE RIGHT WING'S ALTERNATIVE
"The right-wing has no alternative to Oslo."  So has said Shimon Peres man=
y
times in the past, and in general, Israel's left wing continually
challenges the right wing with this statement.  Arutz-7 Israel National
Radio, rising to the challenge, brought together over 20 leading thinkers
of Israel's nationalist camp and asked them for their alternative to the
Oslo process.  Excerpts from two responses appear below, and those of
others are planned to be included here during the course of the week.
Uri Elitzur, former head of Prime Minister Netanyahu's Bureau and the
ex-editor of Nekudah:
"The left is correct, we don't have an answer.  I'm not sure if an answer
has to be provided, but we must at least recognize that the left is
providing a diplomatic answer, while we are not...  Two major questions
face us:  What will be the final borders of Israel, and what will happen
with the Arab residents of Yesha?  We can't avoid these questions, and the=
y
are intertwined.  We haven't given an answer to these questions because we
don't want to - because if we say that we want our final borders to includ=
e
all of Judea and Samaria, then the Arabs living there become our headache.=
..
"For the short-term, I see a form of autonomy=E0  Regarding the Arabs of
Yesha, we must say clearly, yes, they are our responsibility.  This will b=
e
a heavy price for us to pay in order to hold onto the Land of Israel, but
we have to pay it.  This doesn't mean that I would rule out transfer, and =
I
don't think it's an unethical solution, but I do think that it's not
realistic for the next few decades at least.   We have to be the body that
is responsible for their autonomy.  There are many variations as to how
such an arrangement would work - taxes, voting rights, etc. - but the main
thing is to say that we refuse to give up on the Land of Israel and that w=
e
are willing to admit that these two million Arabs of Eretz Yisrael are her=
e
and they are our headache."
Kedumim Mayor Daniella Weiss:
"The claim of the left-wing that we have no alternative is wrong.  We are
not seeking an alternative, because we have a way, a path:  The Land of
Israel is all ours, and we have to settle it, and we must continue the
process of the Jews' return to their land, as told in the Prophets.  We
have merited to see the Land become more and more settled, and especially
since the Six Day War, when we were allowed to return to the important
sites of Jerusalem, Hevron, Shechem, Beit El, Jericho, and thank G-d, the
verse is being fulfilled, 'You, mountains of Israel, shall bring forth you=
r
bounty to the People of Israel who have returned here.' ...  We simply hav=
e
to add more effort, more study, more education, to redeem more lands...  W=
e
don't have to weaken ourselves by talking about an "alternative," just
because they try to trap us with this question.  Not every stupid question
has to be answered.  Thank G-d, we have a strong direction and path, and i=
t
need not be replaced.  When you have something good, it doesn't have to be
switched.  We must simply continue...  If specific problems arise, such as
Arab terrorism, then we have to deal with them.  If anything, this problem
helps us see even more clearly that there is simply no room in this Land
for another national entity.  G-d, in His great mercy, is helping us to se=
e
that there is no possibility of giving these murderers any form of a
presence here, whether it be autonomy or something else.  What has to be
done is simply to take strong action - as Arik Sharon began to do but he
needs to be encouraged to continue - against this Palestinian Authority
until it falls apart.
[What will then come in its place?, she was asked.]  Joshua, when he led
the People of Israel into the Land 3,000 years ago, and our rabbis
throughout the generations, have taught us that every non-Jew who
completely accepts the Jewish people as masters of this Land may remain
here...  Whoever doesn't, may not stay here.  Those who would wage war
against us, we have to fight against them.  We don't have to come up with
new diplomatic solutions beyond those that our Rabbis and Joshua have
already set for us.  Why do we have to come up with new ideas?  What, woul=
d
we dream of formulating, Heaven forbid, a new Torah or a new set of
commandments?  There is no need to come up with anything new, because "the
Torah of G-d is perfect and revives the soul" (Psalms) - it revives the
soul when it is perfect, meaning when we take it in its entirety, with all
its components - the personal ones, the communal ones, the social ones, th=
e
national ones, and the universal ones - and then it revives the soul.  But
to take it apart?  To divide the Land, to divide the Torah, Heaven
forbid?  Why do we have to break apart this wholeness?  Why do we have to
search for alternatives?  There is one wholeness, and it is based in the
Torah."
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From:          Arutz-7 Editor <feedback@israelnationalnews.com>
Subject:       Arutz-7 News: Monday, November 19, 2001
Arutz Sheva News Service
  <http://www.IsraelNationalNews.com>
Monday, Nov. 19, 2001 / Kislev 4, 5762
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TODAY'S HEADLINES:
   1. AWAITING POWELL'S SPEECH
   2. YESHA COUNCIL DEMANDS GOV'T TAKE STAND AGAINST PLO STATE
   3. WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?
1. AWAITING POWELL'S SPEECH
The suspense is great as Israel awaits an important foreign policy
speech by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in Kentucky this
afternoon.  He stated earlier this week that he would not present a
new Middle East peace plan.  He is expected, however, to present his
vision of a framework for a Middle East solution.  Although he agreed
in the past that the Mitchell Report - calling for a total freeze of
Israeli settlement activity in Yesha and an immediate resumption of
negotiations - could not be implemented while the Palestinian violence
continued, he recently withdrew that condition.  All now wait to see
if he will continue to insist on "seven days of quiet" or not.
Prime Minister Sharon emphasized yesterday that Israel, for its part,
will adhere to the conditions he outlined this past May:  seven days
of total quiet followed by a six-week cooling-off period before
resuming negotiations with the PA.  Uzi Arad, former diplomatic
advisor to Netanyahu and now a member of the Interdisciplinary
Institute in Herzliyah, told Arutz-7 today, "The speech will not
outline operative steps, but we still must not make light of it.  I
fear that it will reflect an erosion of America's pro-Israel positions
of the past."
The New York Times reported on Sunday that 89 U.S. Senators had signed
a letter to President George Bush, urging him not to restrain Israel
from retaliating fully against Palestinian violence.  The letter was
intended to prevent Secretary Powell from including criticism of
Israel in his speech this afternoon.  The Times quoted one of the
signatories, Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), as saying, "Powell talks
about the cycle of violence that suggests one produces the other and
that there is a moral equivalency, which is not true. Terrorists
killing civilians is totally unjustified, and Israel's response is
self-defense."
The Sentaors' letter praised Bush for not meeting with Arafat, and
stated, "The American people would never excuse us for not going after
the terrorists with all our strength and might.  Yet that is what some
have demanded of the Israeli government after every terrorist incident
they suffer. No matter what the provocation, they urge restraint." 
One of the initiators of the letter was Senator Christopher S. Bond
(R) of Missouri.
2. YESHA COUNCIL DEMANDS GOV'T TAKE STAND AGAINST PLO STATE
The Yesha Council (Council of Jewish Communities in Judea, Samaria,
and Gaza) continues to exert pressure on the right-wing government
ministers - National Infrastructures Minister Avigdor Lieberman and
Tourism Minister Benny Elon - to quit the coalition.  Council head
Benny Kashriel, the mayor of Ma'aleh Adumim, wrote to the right-wing
MKs yesterday, pleading with them to quit if the government does not
vote to negate the establishment of a Palestinian state.
A senior commander in the IDF's Southern Command said yesterday that
the continuing economic troubles in Gaza could lead to a popular
overthrow of the Palestinian Authority.  He said that Hamas and other
similar organizations have grown in strength.
3. WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?
"The right wing has no alternative to Oslo."  With these words,
Israel's left wing consistently challenges the nationalist camp to
come up with a solution to the "problem" of the Israeli conflict with
the Arabs.  Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg, speaking in the Knesset last
week, formulated the problem as he sees it:
"The State of Israel has three ambitions.  If it were possible, it
would want to live all three of them in their entirety:  The first is
to be a complete and ideological democracy, a state of equality and
justice for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race, or gender.
 The second is to be the State of the Jews, one that preserves its
Jewish majority and its eternal ethical values and the special
national character of the only state of this ancient people.  The
third is to preserve the nation's historic homeland, the entirety of
Eretz Yisrael, that which was promised us in these Torah portions, the
cradle of Jewish civilization.  For many years we avoided a
resolution; we thought that six days of miracles and heroism in 1967
would last us for the seventh day as well, which has already lasted
for over three decades.  We fooled ourselves by wanting all, and we
are on the verge of receiving nothing.
"He who is honest knows that we cannot have all three, just like
Avraham and Lot.  Whoever wants a full democracy with a Jewish
majority cannot hold onto the entire land, from the Jordan River to
the Mediterranean Sea, because it is a land that has people of another
nation with different national aspirations.  And whoever wants the
whole land and a Jewish majority, must give up on democracy, and
instead have a dark and oppressive regime.  And whoever wants a
democracy and the entire Land, must give up on his idea of a Jewish
state with a Jewish majority."
Arutz-7 Israel National Radio, rising to the challenge of answering
the question, "What's your alternative?", brought together over 20
leading thinkers of Israel's nationalist camp and asked them to
formulate their substitute for the Oslo process.  Two responses were
excerpted here yesterday, and additional answers appear below; stay
tuned for more throughout the week.
Tourism Minister Benny Elon:
"Burg's premise is wrong, as we are not demanding the entire Eretz
(Land of) Yisrael.  The entire Land also includes the other side of
the Jordan, that which is the Promised Land of the Bible and that
which Balfour promised the Jewish People for a national home.  Most of
this area, 78% of it, already has a Palestinian state - Jordan...  We
must make it clear that Eretz Yisrael has two sides of the Jordan, and
that if the Arabs want a Palestinian state, it already exists, in the
form of Jordan.  If we keep on claiming that only 1/4 of the entire
Land is ours, while the Arabs claim the whole thing, then Jewish Law
says that we have to split our differences, which means we'll end up
with only 1/8...
"Our solution [the voluntary exodus of Arabs out of Judea and Samaria]
will lead to real peace, with a democratic Jewish state between the
Mediterranean and the Jordan.  Gandhi [the assassinated Rehavam
Ze'evi, founder of the Moledet party that Elon now heads] taught us
that there are different types of transfer:  The forcible type, which
is not desirable or democratic, occurs during wartime.  It is
sometimes justified as a form of punishment to those who start a war. 
Just as in the War of Independence, when they brought upon themselves
a "nakba," catastrophe, and we celebrate our independence.  If they
continue to war with us, then that is what will happen again.
"On the other hand, we are willing to negotiate with them over some
form of autonomy, with its capital in Amman, and connected culturally
and municipally and in other ways to Jordan, but with Israel in
control of the borders, sovereignty, Jordan Valley.  This can be done
if they are willing to live with us in peace.  But if they are not
willing to do so, then the painful price they will have to pay will be
transfer."
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From:          Arutz-7 Editor <feedback@israelnationalnews.com> 
Subject:       Arutz-7 News: Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2001
Arutz Sheva News Service
  <http://www.IsraelNationalNews.com>
Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2001 / Kislev 5, 5762
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TODAY'S HEADLINES:
   1. POWELL'S SPEECH AND REACTIONS TO IT
   2. DISSATISFACTION WITH POWELL'S SPEECH
   3. REACTIONS IN THE P.A.
1. POWELL'S SPEECH AND REACTIONS TO IT
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced that he "welcomes" U.S.
Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech, and added what could be
considered his own summary of the speech:  "The cessation of all
'terrorism, violence and incitement' is a prior condition for any
diplomatic progress."  Sharon announced that the negotiating team he
established will "conduct negotiations toward achieving a cease-fire
with Powell's special representatives, Assistant Secretary of State
William Burns and Gen. Anthony Zinni [and not with the PA]."
Main points of the speech:
"The United States-Israeli relationship is based on the broadest
conception of American national interests, in which our two nations
are bound forever together by common democratic values and traditions.
This will never change.
"The Palestinian leadership must make a 100% effort to end violence
and to end terror. There must be real results, not just words and
declarations. Terrorists must be stopped before they act. The
Palestinian leadership must arrest, prosecute and punish the
perpetrators of terrorist acts. The Palestinians must live up to the
agreements they have made to do so. They must be held to account when
they do not...
"No national aspiration, no remembered wrong can ever justify the
deliberate murder of the innocent. Terror and violence must stop and
stop now.
"The endless messages of incitement and hatred of Israelis and Jews
that pour out of the media in so much of the Palestinian and Arab
worlds only reinforce [Israeli] fears. No one can claim a commitment
to peace while feeding a culture of hatred that can only produce a
culture of violence. The incitement must stop.
"Palestinians must accept that they can only achieve their goals
through negotiation...  "Palestinians must eliminate any doubt, once
and for all, that they accept the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish
state. They must make clear that their objective is a Palestinian
state alongside Israel, not in place of Israel.
"We have a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine,
live side by side within secure and recognized borders.
"Too many innocent Palestinians, including children, have been killed
and wounded. This, too, must stop.
"Israeli settlement activity has severely undermined Palestinian trust
and hope. It preempts and prejudges the outcome of negotiations and,
in doing so, cripples chances for real peace and security. The United
States has long opposed settlement activity. Consistent with the
report of the committee headed by Senator George Mitchell, settlement
activity must stop.
"[The Mitchell and Tenet documents]] offer Israelis and Palestinians a
roadmap to a cease-fire and an end to the violence.
"Israel must be willing to end its occupation, consistent with the
principles embodied in Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, and
accept a viable Palestinian State."
Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson noted that Powell did announce one practical
step that he expected would be implemented "in the very, very near
future" - namely, the dispatching of Gen. Anthony Zinni to Israel to
meet with Israel and PA teams to discuss terms for a ceasefire. 
Powell said that Prime Minister Sharon had formed a senior-level
committee to "work with the Palestinians on the negotiation and
implementation of a cease-fire and what follows from that," and that
"I also understand that Chairman Arafat remains ready to do likewise,"
and that Gen. Zinni will "remain in the region to work with these two
committees [in order to reach] a cease-fire. "
Afterwards, Powell was asked to explain what he meant by his
statement, "We will push, we will prod [the two sides]."  His
response: "You'll see what pushing and prodding is when Tony Zinni
gets on the ground."
2. DISSATISFACTION WITH POWELL'S SPEECH
Criticism of Secretary Powell's speech in Israel centered on the
following points:
* Powell strongly criticized Israeli settlement activity, saying it
"has severely undermined Palestinian trust and hope. It preempts and
prejudges the outcome of negotiations and, in doing so, cripples
chances for real peace and security."   He did not, however, call upon
the PLO to cease its own construction in strategic places in the same
areas - also a form of "preempting the outcome."
* Powell's reference to negotiation over the ultimate fate of
Jerusalem could have only one outcome: Israeli concessions, meaning an
end to Jerusalem's status as the indivisible and eternal capital of
the Jewish People.
* Powell's call for the conclusion of yet another agreement with the
PLO ignores its 37-year track record of systematically violating all
its international commitments.
* Powell said, "Palestinians need security, as well. Too many innocent
Palestinians, including children, have been killed and wounded. This,
too, must stop."  The implication is that the "innocent" Palestinians
who were killed by accident, or "not so innocent" Palestinians who
were killed in the course of Israeli self-defense, are equivalent to
the truly "innocent" Israelis who were deliberately targeted by
Palestinian terrorism.
* Powell noted, "The Palestinian leadership must arrest, prosecute and
punish the perpetrators of terrorist acts" - but did not mention their
Oslo obligation to extradite them to Israel for punishment.
* The bottom line is that in return for an end to Palestinian
terrorism, they will receive a state.  "Would the American people
tolerate awarding Bin Laden with a state in response to him calling
off terrorism?" asks Nadia Matar of Women in Green.
An editorial in Israel's most popular daily newspaper Yediot Acharonot
today expressed doubt whether Powell's speech would have a practical
effect:
"Despite the Americans' diplomatic desire to create a balanced vision,
the two peoples' willingness to accept and adopt it is not balanced at
all."  The paper claims that while a large majority of Israelis would
be willing to accept the principles Powell enumerated, "there is still
no parallel, significant, peace bloc among the Palestinians, and
especially not in the Islamic and Arab countries further away from
Israel.  There is no sincere cultural willingness to recognize Israel
as a sovereign Jewish state and to put a decisive end to the war
against Zionism.  There is no realistic desire to reach an end to the
conflict.  There is no state effort to change the format of Islam's
education for hatred.  There is no conceptual or moral countenancing
of a solution to the refugee problem outside Israel's borders.  There
is no rallying of public opinion against terrorism; the rallying in
favor of it continues."
3. REACTIONS IN THE P.A.
Yasser Arafat thanked Powell for his "continued efforts on behalf of
the Palestinians," and expressed support for the speech.  Itim News
Agency reports, however, that other voices in the PA criticized the
speech as being "empty of practical content" and "designed to cover up
for the continued American actions against the Palestinians and the
Moslems in Afghanistan, in order to prevent a regional escalation and
enable Israel to continue its activities against the Palestinians."
Middle East media analyst Michael Widlanski notes that the official PA
media "virtually ignored all elements in [Powell's speech] that were
critical of the Palestinian Authority."  Voice of Palestine last night
noted pro-PA aspects of Powell's speech - support for a Palestinian
state, demands for an end to Israeli settlements, and a call to end
'Israeli occupation' - but ignored others.  For instance, Widlanski
reports, PA listeners were not informed that "Powell insisted that the
terms for ending occupation - the details of boundaries and timetables
- had to be worked out in mutual agreement as part of negotiations
between the Palestinians and Israel."
PA official Nabil Sha'ath and Oslo-architect Yossi Beilin were
apparently disappointed by the speech.  Contrary to their predictions,
Powell's speech did not back the stationing of international observers
in Judea and Samaria, nor did it void the 7-day period of no hostility
demanded by Israel before talks could open.
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