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From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 1997 1:54 AM To: Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup Subject: The Biblical marriage
From: Chabaq@aol.com
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re:The Wife
Eddie,
>That's an interesting story. God has a way of rewarding obedience.
>
G-d ALWAYS rewards obedience.
>
>Could you let me know how to get a copy of your book on the Bride of Christ.
>
I will notify the newsgroup when it is printed. My
estimate is May 1st. I will probably know the exact printing date in
about two weeks or so. You will be able to get a copy by writing me
at the Hebraic Heritage Ministry address.
> I have a Marriage Contract on our display that we take into various churches
>as we share with them concepts regarding the Jewish roots of our Christian
>faith. I'm interested in your perspective on the marraige contract and how
>it becomes an illustration of deeper truth.
>
When G-d married the children of Israel at Mount Sinai,
(Jerimiah 2:1-3) the Marriage Contract, "the ketubah", was seen as
being the Torah. You can go to your local library and get the book,
"The Jewish Holidays: A Guide and Commentary" by Michael Strassfeld
on page 75 as a reference.
This understanding is a DEEP understanding of spiritual truth.
The New Covenant is the TORAH written upon our heart (Jeremiah 31:33,
Hebrews 10:15-16). The Christian's "marriage contract" is also the Torah
written
upon our heart. We become "married" by accepting Yeshua/Jesus into our heart
and lives by faith. Our "marriage contract" is obedience to G-d's
Torah/Word as well.
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From: brazz@one.net
Subject: Re: The Newsgroup is back "on-line" !!!
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Eddie,
>Your apparent bride-to-be sounds like a real blessing from the LORD.
>I am very happy for you.
>
THANK YOU so much !!! G-d gave her several dreams and
let me understand that she is my "PEARL OF GREAT PRICE". G-d gave
her several dreams to communicate this EXACT THING. I am AMAZED,
ASTONISHED and BLESSED! Glory be to G-d for HIS MERCIES !!!
>I have a semi-related question, since we seem to be on the subject of
>marriage. I am co-teaching a class at my church on Theology and Apologetics,
> and I am intrigued by the notes which I have received on the "bridegroom"
>texts; namely, the "No man knows the day or the hour...but the Father"
>in Matthew, Mark, and Acts, and with the tradition of the bridegroom
>"preparing a place for the bride" in parallel to John 14. I have read
>extensively in numerous Jewish books and everything I could get my
>hands on from Alfred Edersheim, but I have yet to find a scholarly
>reference for these items. I intend to show how historical
>backgrounds help us to properly interpret (and in some cases,
>translate) the Bible, and I intend to use these assertions regarding
>the "bridegroom" texts in my lesson, but it would be extremely nice if
>I could footnote a scholarly reference for this. Is this
>interpretation of the "No man knows..." and of the "preparing of a
>place" during erusin found in Talmudic literature, or in some other
>work to which I can refer my students? I will be teaching this
>particular lesson in roughly a week. Sorry for the short notice.
>
>Many thanks in advance, and I am constantly enlightened by many of the
>posts you send to me from the newsgroup. May the LORD richly bless
>your ministry, and your eventual marriage.
>
>Jeff Bradshaw
>brazz@one.net
>
>From Eddie:
**************
I am not aware that the phrase "no one knows the day or the
hour" or "I go to prepare a place for you" is explained in the
Talmud. The Talmud is so VAST that it is quite POSSIBLE. There is an
entire tractate devoted to marriage. It is called, "Kiddushin". It
is THICK. I have a copy in my room but I have not had time to read
it.
The phase "no one knows the day or the hour" and the phrase "I
go to prepare a place for you" is explained in my book, "The Seven
Festivals of the Messiah". In the book, I give the 12 steps to the
Biblical wedding ceremony and how it corresponds to how G-d gave the
Biblical wedding ceremony to teach believers about how the SPIRITUAL
MARRIAGE between G-d and His Bride will happen. The 12 steps to the
Biblical wedding ceremony is FULLY outlined in Chapter 7 on the
subject of Rosh HaShanah. The ENTIRE text of my book, "The Seven
Festivals of the Messiah" can be found at the Hebraic Heritage Web
Site located at:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2175/heb_root.html
There you will find all the chapters of the book. The URL for chapter
7 is located at:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2175/chap7.html
Because we have new members join our network on a DAILY basis,
many on this newsgroup do not know how to order my book, "The Seven
Festivals of the Messiah". You may do so by sending a check for ($12)
made out to me (Eddie Chumney) and send to:
The Seven Festivals of the Messiah
PO Box 81
Strasburg, Ohio 44680
Just so members don't think that I am purely trying to promote
the buying of my book but instead want the MESSAGE of the festivals
and our RICH Hebraic Heritage to be known by ALL of G-d's people
(even though many members of this newsgroup have purchased the book
and can testify that it is a real BLESSING to their spiritual lives),
I will answer this part of the message in this note.
In order to understand the phrases "No one knows the day of
the hour" and "I go to prepare a place for you", you need to
understand the Jewish wedding that G-d gave to his people and you
also need to understand the significance of the festivals. FIRST, the
phrase, "No one knows the day or the hour".
In the days of Yeshua/Jesus, there was a Rabbinical court
called the "Sanhedrin". The Sanhedrin was given authority to make
rulings concerning Jewish law. In Number 10, G-d gives instructions
concerning the blowing of the shofar and its relation to the "new
moon". The Biblical calendar is a lunar calendar. The beginning of
the months of the year during the days of Yeshua/Jesus were not fixed
as they are today. Whenever two witnesses saw the sighting of the new
moon, they would go to the SanHedrin. The SanHedrin would verify that
the new moon was seen and the start of the month had begun. The
sighting of the new moon was VERY SIGNIFICANT. Passover/Pesach is on
the 14th day of the month of Nisan. Therefore, when the new moon was
sighted for the month of Nisan, Passover/Pesach would be known to
happen 14 days from the sighting of the new moon.
There is only ONE FESTIVAL that happens on a NEW MOON. That
festival is Rosh HaShanah. Rosh HaShanah also known as the Feast of
Trumpets is in the month of Tishrei on the FIRST day. This is told in
Michael Strassfeld's book, "The Jewish Holidays: A Guide and
Commentary" on page 102. Since the festival days were determined by the
sighting of the new moon and since Rosh HaShanah happened on a new moon,
this festivals was called "the day that no man knows". Rosh HaShanah was only
known when two witnesses sighted the new moon and the SanHedrin declared
that the month of Tishrei had begun. Rosh HaShanah is also called "Yom
HaKeseh" (The hidden day). This is because the shofar is blown every
day beginning in the month of Elul but it is not blown on the day
prior to Rosh HaShanah. You can find this reference in the book,
"The Complete Story of Tishrei" by Nissan Mindel on page 19. ( I have
a complete reference of all these things in my book, "The Seven
Festivals of the Messiah" at the end of the book).
Since the resurrection of the dead will be at the
"last trump" (I Thessalonians 4:16) (Another idiom for Rosh
HaShanah), the resurrection of the day can be called by the idiom
"No one knows the day or the hour". Many Bible prophecy teachers who
do not teach Bible prophecy through the understanding of our Hebraic
Roots take this Jewish idiom "No one knows the day or the hour"
literally and teach that you cannot know when Yeshua/Jesus will
return even though Yeshua/Jesus said in three verses earlier in
Matthew 24:33:
"So likewise ye, when you shall see all these things, know that it is
NEAR EVEN AT THE DOORS".
Then, in Matthew 24:36, Yeshua/Jesus uses the Jewish idiom for Rosh
HaShanah "no one knows the day or the hour".
Secondly, the phrase, "No one knows the day or the hour"
are the words that the groom would say to the bride when she would
ask him when he will return for her. In the days of Yeshua/Jesus
after the bride and groom were "betrothed", the groom would go away
and prepare a house for the bride. When it was finished, the Father
of the bridegroom would OK that all the preparations for the house
had been made and would give permission for the groom to go and
return to the bride and marry her. Therefore, if you ask the groom
(spiritually Yeshua/Jesus) when he was going to return for his bride,
the groom would give the answer, "No one knows the day or the hour"
only my Father knows. Therefore the phrase, "No one knows the day or
the hour" is an idiom for Rosh HaShanah and an idiom for the Jewish
wedding.
If you would ask *ME* when *MY* wedding is in
Jerusalem, I will have to tell you in all HONESTY, ("No one knows the
day or the hour only God the Father"). We cannot set a date because
we have not found a Rabbi to marry us and we have not gotten approval
by the Israeli government to enter the country and get married (even
though God has promised us in a dream that we will be granted our
married in Jerusalem and have a BIBLICAL WEDDING). But, G-d has
told us that it will ONLY happen by HIM doing GREAT miracles !!!
In John 14:3 when Yeshua/Jesus said, "I go to prepare a
PLACE for you", this is another idiom as part of the Jewish wedding.
Before leaving the bride after the "betrothal" (which is the first of
two steps in the Biblical wedding ceremony) as the groom went to
prepare a house for the bride, he would tell his bride these words
upon departing "I go to prepare a PLACE for you".
I explain in my new book, "Who is the Bride of Christ?"
that the word PLACE is the Hebrew word MAKOM. MAKOM is a term for
HEAVEN. In Jeremiah 17:12 it is written:
"A glorious high throne from the beginning is the PLACE (MAKOM) of
our sanctuary".
In Genesis 28:11 in the story of Jacob's dream when he
saw the angels ascending and descending upon a ladder which stretched
to heaven it is written:
"And he lighted upon a certain PLACE (MAKOM), and tarried
there all night, because the sun was set, and he took of the stones
of that PLACE (MAKOM) and put them for his pillows, and lay down in
that PLACE (MAKOM) to sleep"
In Genesis 28:17 it is written:
"How dreadful is this PLACE (MAKOM)! This is none other but the HOUSE
OF GOD and this is the GATE OF HEAVEN"
Therefore, the PLACE that Yeshua/Jesus was referring to was
heaven. More specifically, it is a specific ROOM in heaven. The
marriage between the bride and the groom will be consummated in a
ROOM in heaven called the CHEDER. In Joel 2:16 it is written:
"Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders
and gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the
bridegroom go forth of his CHAMBER (which is the Strong's Word (2315)
and is the Hebrew word CHEDER) and the bride out of her close (which
is the Strong's word (2646) and is the Hebrew word CHUPPAH).
The Biblical wedding takes place underneath a CHUPPAH. The
marriage is consummated in a special room known as a CHEDER.
Friends, we are going to a JEWISH WEDDING !!!! On the front cover of
my book, "Who is the Bride of Christ?" is the groom and the bride
underneath a CHUPPAH and the groom is stretching forth his hands to
"unveil" the bride.
I hope that this answers your question.
Eddie Chumney
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From: MDBartlett@aol.com
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: The Newsgroup is back "on-line" !!!
Dear Eddie:
Baruch haShem! Praise be to the G-d of Israel! We
rejoice with you in the L-rd's revelation of a bride for you. He who
finds a wife finds what is good, say the Ketuvim. When will we learn
her name?
>From Eddie:
***************
She will be "veiled" until the time approaches for us to
begin to prepare to get married. Sometime after we begin our
preparations to go to Israel, you will find out her name.
>
>Are we invited to the wedding?
>
YES! The ENTIRE WORLD will be invited to the wedding !!! It will
be an open invitation to the ENTIRE WORLD to come to JERUSALEM to
witness the wedding. I am SERIOUS !!!! So, begin saving your money!
>And bless the L-rd for your new book. Would you consider writing a
>study guide for it to use in Sunday School classes?
>Bless you -- b'haShem Yeshua, Michele
>
Actually, as you know by the style of how I wrote my first
book, "The Seven Festivals of the Messiah", my new book, "Who is the
Bride of Christ?" is written in a step-by-step,
scripture-by-scripture form so that you can take the content of each
of the chapters and teach it just as you would a study guide.
Actually, I would encourage you to do this.
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From: "Suzanne Lancaster" <goodword@amaonline.com>
To: <heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: The Newsgroup is back "on-line" !!!
Dear Eddie, WOWW!!!
>You should see me here, jumping up and down, trying to stop jumping
>long enough to lean over the keyboard to write WOWW to you... a
>Hassidic bride!!
>
YOU? What about ME? I was ASTONISHED! I am still trying to
hit myself to see if it is true or not. But, it is TRUE! It actually
did happen and G-d chose to do it during ROSH HASHANAH last year at
our Hebraic Roots Conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma! AMAZING !!!!
>
> I can't WAIT to read your book!!
>
>Trevor, my beloved adopted Jewish son, has a betrothed who has from
>her childhood been a fervent lover of Israel and her people, and who
>has, along with her parents, prayed for G-d to set aside and preserve
>them for each other, this beautiful girl and the one G-d would send,
>and He did!! They met a couple of years ago at a performance of The
>Witness, in which at that time Trevor played a blind beggar and, when
>not in that role onstage, he was in the second balcony deaf-signing
>the play for those seated in that section for that purpose. I'll
>leave out right now (not enough time) the "between" part, but at the
>last performance last summer, he was playing Y'shua coming forth from
>the tomb (they had two Y'shua roles because of the lack of time to
>change from bloody crucifixion stuff to the radiant-in-white
>resurrected L-rd) there was a moment at the very end when Trevor came
>back (I think winched back down onstage after having been taking up
>into heaven) and Kelly was playing a part in the play also, and he
>brought her forth and proposed to her right there in front of
>everybody, complete with the cup of redemption which, when she drank
>it, they were betrothed, and then he took his tallit and placed it
>over both their heads to the tumultuous cheers and standing ovation of
>everyone! Needless to say, she was totally taken by surprise, and she
>along with probably everyone else, was drenched in tears.
>
>From Eddie:
**************
What a WONDERFUL STORY !!!!
>
>The fact that "Y'shua" did that, though I know the actual drinking of
>the Cup came before, with His talmidim, made everything concerning the
>"Bride of Christ" absolutely riveting and up close and personal for
>every believer there. I was not, but gratefully he e-mailed me to
>tell me everything, and I can see it in my spirit. My husband,
>Kenneth, has a shofar and has learned to play it remarkably well, and
>Trevor has asked him and he will be the one to sound it, waking Kelly
>up, giving her a chance (I think they sound the trump about an hour in
>advance so the bride doesn't have to run out the door with curlers in
>her hair) to get into her gown and be carried by the wedding party to
>her chuppah! Whereupon he (Trevor) has a week long party in store for
>everyone...
>
>From Eddie:
***************
This is a GREAT STORY !!!
>
>So you can see why your descriptions have me absolutely in jigs and
>fits! Here you are with a Jewish bride, and there Kelly is with a
>Jewish bridegroom, and I'm going to covet greatly any descriptions of
>Jewish weddings you can share with us on the newsgroup.
>
I have shared some insights on this posting.
>
>Do you have a shofar?
>
No, but my bride-to-be probably does. In any event, I plan on
getting one.
>
>Are you going to kidnap your bride? And also ?????? and
>?????? not to mention ??????
>
Our honeymoon plans are already made! In the ancient Biblical
wedding ceremony which G-d gave to His people, it was the RIGHT of
the bride to live and dwell in the city of her choice. The city of
the Bride is Jerusalem. She has chosen to spend our honeymoon and
live in the city of Jerusalem !!! In fact, she was born in
Jerusalem.
>
>Actually, I've wondered from time to time, thinking on one occasion
>you were a non-Jewish believer, and then on another being certain you
>were Jewish. So it is just as likely, to my mind, that both of you
>are Jewish
>
I am NOT Jewish. I grew up in a traditional church
environment my entire life. My life began to change when I first
learned and studied about my Hebraic Roots in 1989. From those
studies and research, I wrote my book, "The Seven Festivals of the
Messiah". At FIRST, I only put together the notes for MYSELF. When I
was done, I asked G-d now that I have done all of this work (it took
me nine months to compile my notes) what PURPOSE does this serve?
G-d spoke to me and told me that MY PURPOSE that He had for my life
was connected to me writing this book. I didn't know what this meant. Then,
G-d told me to put the information in a book. I told him that He was crazy
because I didn't know how to do that. Then, G-d gave me a confirmation and
a sign. I went to turn on the TV and flipped through the channels and came
to TBN. On TBN was a paster from the Bahamas giving a sermon on
PURPOSE! I couldn't believe it! So, I started the process to write the book.
I
put together my notes from Jan - Sep, 1992. I contacted the publisher
in Jan 1993. After over a year and a half of hassle, the book was
printed in October 1994.
After that, G-d spoke to me and told me to start a
ministry. "Hebraic Heritage Ministries" is this ministry. In July 20
1996, G-d spoke to me and told me to write the book on the Bride,
NOW !!!! I started the next day on July 21. On July 22, my bride to
be (I didn't know it at the time) FIRST contacted me after finding my
Web Site (even though it wasn't registered on the Internet Search
Engines at that time) by a DIVINE MIRACLE. The first members of this
newsgroup became members in the middle of August 1996. She contacted
me on July 22, 1996.
Being a Hasidic Jew, my bride-to-be NEVER considered
marrying a non-Jew. It is against what Jews are taught. My
bride-to-be is very religious so she NEVER considered marrying a
non-Jew. Then, over Rosh HaShanah weekend, G-d gave her
a dream and in the dream she was getting married in Israel and was
marrying a Gentile. In the dream, she told the L-rd, "But, L-rd, I am
Jewish, I am not allowed to marry a Gentile". Then the Lord replied to her
in the dream, "To the world, he is a Gentile but in my Kingdom, he is a
great Jew".
This dream happened during Rosh HaShanah. The following
days after Rosh HaShanah, G-d gave her another dream and a vision and
told her EXPLICITLY to marry me. Then, things began to make more sense
to her. G-d had given me signs beginning in the summer of 1993 concerning
who my bride would be. At the conference, I was able to put everything
together and knew once my bride-to-be told me the dream, I knew that it was
about her and I but I didn't want to tell her because I wanted G-d to tell
her. So,
I didn't tell her. Then, G-d told her in a dream a couple days later. Then,
she
told me what G-d told her in the dream and the vision and how He
told her that she was supposed to marry me, then I told her, "I already
know!". The ENTIRE testimony is given at the FORWARD of my new book,
"Who is the Bride of Christ?".
G-d first began to teach me the
information in this book in the fall of 1993. I knew in 1995 that He
wanted me to write this book. But, I didn't understand what He wanted
me to write in the book and what the various chapters should be
about. That was because there were some things that G-d still needed
to teach me. G-d was teaching me through 1995. Then, in July 1996, He
told me to write the book. Earlier in the year, G-d told me, "If you
write a book about my Bride, I will reveal yours!". G-d kept His Word
but I NEVER imagined in my wildest desires that G-d had this planned
for me! All that I know is that we serve a loving and merciful G-d
and if we will purpose in our heart so be FAITHFUL to Him, He will be
faithful to us!
>
>, and that you, like Trevor, only found out as young adults
>something of the heritage and traditions you've missed because some
>gentiles tried to make gentiles out of your parents. Sometime,
>please, Eddie, your full testimony?
>
I gave a 15 page testimony in the FORWARD of my new book.
I explained the events and the entire story of how G-d gave me a
bride-to-be and how this was a fulfillment of my prayers as a
teenager. I explain fully the story of how we met and how we are
going to be married in Jerusalem and how G-d told us that we are
going to have a "Biblical wedding ceremony".
>
>Like with all the spare time you
>have, you'd be able to write another book!? :)
>
Actually, I am entertaining the thought of writing a Feast
of Pentecost (Shavuot), Haggadah, so that those who desire to keep
the Festival of Shavuot will have a Haggadah which explains the
Christian spiritual understanding of the events of Shavuot along with
explaining the correct Biblical understanding and perspective of the
Torah as well as the story of the book of Ruth (which is read during
the Feast of Shavuot) as I briefly explained on this newsgroup in the
past. I plan to do this in my spare time (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!)
>
>Well, anyway, to what extent you can, I (and all the rooters) will be
>wanting to know EVERYthing! There is a Jewish mama in me just waiting
>to adopt you too! (Oh, the joy! Two Jewish sons?!)
>
>La, la, lalala, la, la, lalala, la la, lalala, la lala la! (To be
>danced to Hava Nagela) Hey!
>
Come to my wedding in Jerusalem and we will do "Hava
Nagela" at the wedding reception !!!!
>
>Love and rejoicing, Suzanne (Shoshannah)
>
>PS: I want on that list to buy your new book!!! Autographed???!
>
If you buy the book from me through the ministry, it
will be autographed !!!
Eddie Chumney
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