Subject: Re: Three Days and Three Nights! - Part II
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:48:46 +0000
To: "Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup"<heb_roots_chr@geocities.com>
From: Stefan Blad
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Three Days and Three Nights!
Shalom to all!
If the 14th of Nissan would have been a Wendsday Yeshua would have
entered the city of Jerusalem on the Sabbath the 10th of Nissan. How
could he ride on a donkey during Sabbath when the animals have to
rest? And how could the people cut branches from the trees during
Sabbath?
If Yeshua died on a Wendsday why didn't the women buy spices and
anoint his body during the Friday?
If Yeshua would have been crucified on a Friday then he and all his
disciples would have broken the Sabbath by traveling to Lazarus' house
on the Sabbath--see John 12:1.
But if he died on a Thursday then the day after Yeshua arrived at
Lazarus' house would have been a Shabbath and this would account for
his stay there an extra day.
I recomend you to read the article on the website:
http://www.yfiles.com/crucified.html
The information at the Website is given below for your convenience.
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WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED?
by Lori Eldridge
(all scriptures NIV unless otherwise noted)
(Part 2 of 2)
Timeline
The following timeline basically follows Mark's Gospel which has the
most detailed itinerary of Christ's last week. Each day starts at
sundown-- according to Jewish time.
- - - - - Friday Nisan 8 - - - -
Jesus arrives in Bethany to visit Lazarus, Mary and Martha.
A dinner is served in his honor
Jesus' feet anointed with Nard by Mary
Chief priests and Pharisees plotting to arrest Jesus
- - - - - Saturday Nisan 9 - - - -Sabbath
A day of rest still in Bethany
- - - - -Sunday Nisan 10 - - - -Triumphal Entry
Spent the night in Bethany
AM-on the way to Jerusalem
Triumphal Entry
People cutting palm branches
Jesus riding the donkey
Hallelujah to the King
Passover lambs selected
Jesus weeps over Jerusalem and curses it and the temple
Jesus cleanses the Temple (could have happened on Mon.)
Chief priests plotting to kill Jesus
- - - - -Monday Nisan 11 - - - -
Back to Mt. of Olives and Bethany for the night
AM--on the way to Jerusalem
Jesus curses the fig tree
Jesus teaching at Temple early morning
Jesus cleanses the temple (could have happened on Sun.)
Chief priests wanting to kill Jesus
Passover lambs checked for faults
- - - - -Tuesday, Nisan 12 - - - - -
Back to Mt. of Olives and Bethany for the night
AM--on the way to Jerusalem
Fig tree has withered
Jesus teaches at Temple early morning
Chief priests question his authority
Passover lambs checked for faults
Jesus speaks in parables to the Chief priests
Chief priests make further plans to arrest Jesus.
Pharisees, Herodians and Sadducees question Jesus
No more questions
Olivet Discourse upon leaving temple
- - - - Wednesday Nisan 13
Back to Mt. of Olives and Bethany for the night
A woman anoints Jesus' head with pure nard
2 days before Passover and Unleavened Bread
AM--Jesus teaching at the temple early morning
Chief priests desiring to arrest Jesus & kill him before Feast
Passover lambs checked for faults Judas meets with the chief priests
Jesus makes plans for an early Passover feast
- - - - -Thursday Nisan 14--Preparation day
Jesus stays in Jerusalem
Eats the Passover Feast and the Last Supper around sundown
Jesus retires to Mt. of Olives and Gethsemane to pray after dinner
Judas brings soldiers and betrays Jesus with a kiss
Jesus arrested and taken to the Sanhedrin
False witnesses
Jesus is condemned to death by Sanhedrin and beaten
Judas returns the 30 pieces of Silver and kills himself
Peter disowns Jesus at cockcrow watch--2:30 am
Early AM Chief Priests take Jesus to Pilate
Pilate sends Jesus to Herod
Herod's soldiers ridiculed and mocked him
Herod sends Jesus back to Pilate
Pilate wants to release him
The crowd shouts--Crucify him!!
Pilate has Jesus flogged and hands him over to be crucified
Soldiers beat Jesus
Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross (beam) to Golgotha
Christ is Crucified at 9 AM
From Noon to 3 PM the sky is dark
Jesus dies at 3 PM
Between 3-5 PM thousands of lambs are being slain for Passover
Joseph of Arimathea requests Jesus' body from Pilate
Joseph and Nicodemus prepare his body for burial
2 Marys watch his burial.
- - - - - -Friday Nisan 15 - - - - -Passover day
Passover feast shortly after sundown
Chief priests and Pharisees ask Pilate to put a guard on tomb
- - - - - Saturday Nisan 16 - - - - Sabbath
Day of rest
- - - - - -Sunday Nisan 17 - - - -Resurrection Day
Shortly after sundown (at beginning of the day) the women buy spices
Jesus is resurrected between sundown and sunrise
Shortly after sunrise the women find the tomb empty
Jesus meets with his disciples in Galilee that same day
Praise the Lord! He is risen.
After I wrote this article I was informed of a book entitled Prelude
to Glory by Wayne D. Leeper that had been written a few years previous
to my article. We agree almost 100% on the scenario surrounding the
day of Christ's death and I would highly recommend it for a more in
depth study of this topic. His book is being distributed by the
following ministry and all proceeds go to the same:
Does God Exist
718 Donmoyer Ave.
South Bend, Indiana
4614-1999
Questions, and comments are welcome.
Lori Eldridge graduated with a BA in English/Creative Writing 1995,
EWU, WA. Proofreader and occasional author for PropheZine and Compass
magazines on the Internet. 3 years experience discussing doctrinal
issues.
This paper is c1997 by Lori Eldridge (All Rights Reserved)
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To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
From: Lars-Toralf Storstrand
Subject: Re: Three Days and Three Nights!
There seems to be some problems here, when talking about the
resurrection. What we do know for sure, is that Y'shua had to be set
on His final trial on the 10th of Nisan, and be sacrificed on the 14th
- and rise again on the 17th. Now if the 14th was a wednesday, the
17th was the shabbat (the weekly shabbat), and this concludes the
matter. Prophecy (that is: Genuine Prophecy) is never wrong.
Sincerely
Lars-Toralf Storstrand
Lars-Toralf
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To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
From: Robert W. Meyers
Subject: Re: the Wed. Crucifixion theory
"I agree that Jesus was probably crucified on Wednesday. . ."
I feel so distressed when I read stuff like this. Because:
"O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the Scriptures have
spoken." Luke 24:25.
Because, it's plain unbelief, of the kind the Lord was referring to.
EVERY SCRIPTURE must be heard, or a theory is simply crass unbelief.
To dwell on the "three days and three nights" is essential, but
without ALSO dwelling on "the third day," which is a completely
different consideration, but equally part of the TRUTH, is one of the
reasons for such false theories.
Eighteen times, God repeats, for solemn emphasis, that the Lord Jesus
was slain on Friday, in the evening, for our sins:
Mt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his
disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be
raised again the third day.
Mt 17:23 And they shall kill him, and
the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Mt 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to
scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Mt 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the
third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and
say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error
shall be worse than the first.
Mr 9:31 For he taught his disciples,
and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men,
and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise
the third day.
Mr 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge
him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he
shall rise again.
Lu 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many
things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes,
and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Lu 18:33 And they shall
scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise
again.
Lu 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Lu 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since
these things were done.
Lu 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is
written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the
dead the third day:
Ac 10:40* Him God raised up the third day, and
shewed him openly;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose
again the third day according to the scriptures:
Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see
the sepulchre.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day
of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he
appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven
devils.
Lu 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in
the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which
they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 The first
day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,
unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Thirteen times we are told by God that the Lord was raised on the
third day.
Five times we are told by God that that day was Sunday.
Sunday = the third day; Saturday = the second day; Friday = the first
day. It's very simple.
In other words, God emphatically repeats again and again and again and
again and again that the Lord was crucified on Friday, to which the OT
Types agree and require (it WAS, after all, "According to the
Scriptures," which, at the time of the writing of 1 Cor, had to refer
to the OT).
But according to those posts, He was not crucified on Friday, as God
says: He was crucified, instead, on Wednesday.
Just as Abel was not the only man slain by Cain ("the voice of thy
brothers' BLOODS crieth unto Me from the ground" --- Gen 4:10), so the
above eighteen Scriptures are not the only Scriptures destroyed by the
Wednesday and the Thursday "theories." To murder one man is to murder
the millions who would have descended from him, as well. And to
destroy the teaching of one Scripture is to destroy every Scripture
associated with it, as well. Thus, these "theories" also demolish the
Type of the Firstfruits, the chronological statements made by God in
various NT references such as Luke 3:1, John 2:20, etc, the Seventy
Weeks Prophecy, the Type of the Passover, and the whole of the
"Passion accounts" of the Gospels. They also, interestingly, destroy
even those very "three days and three nights," which they were
ostensibly invented to support.
In the Book of Daniel, God had told the Israelites who went under
Nehemiah the exact day when Christ would enter Jerusalem as her
Messiah: 69 "Weeks" after the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus. That
is, Israel from that time was told that on Monday, Nisan 10, March 30,
AD 33, Messiah the Prince would arrive in Jerusalem, riding on a colt,
the foal of an ass (Zech. 9:9). This meant that the Lamb would be
slain on Nisan 14, the following FRIDAY (Ex. 12:6), the day before the
Sabbath (Lev. 23:6). And it meant that on Nisan 16, the "morrow after
the Sabbath," the Lord would present Himself before the Father as the
Firstfruits of the Resurrection from the Dead to be accepted for us
(John 20:17).
What happened on that Monday? On Nisan 10, the Lord, as He approached
the city, broke into loud weeping over it (this is the only occasion
on which He ever did so, to my knowledge -- Luke 19:41-). Why did He
weep over it? He tells us why, very plainly, in the following verses:
it was because of the fact that the Jews were not ready for that day.
Like the Wednesday and the Thursday crucifixionists, they hadn't
believed these Scriptures enough to be expecting Him when He came.
Witness their babble on that Day: "And when He was come into
Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, `Who is This?' And the
multitude said, "This is Jesus, the Prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.'"
Mt. 21:10-11.
What He wept about was mainly that now, because of their failure, they
would not receive their Kingdom until much later (like 2000 years
later!). But that instead, they would have eons of holocaust,
persecution, weeping, etc.
Maurice Shainberg, in his book, "Breaking from the KGB," recounts the
words and actions of his stepmother, during the Polish Ghetto days,
after she realized that the Nazis had killed her husband and most of
her friends in a prayer meeting:
Before we could stop her, she ran down the stairs into the
street. Stefan and I chased her, but every time we saw some
Germans, we had to hide. We saw her run into a synagogue, but had to
wait five minutes before it was safe to cross the street. . .
She was inside, had opened the Aron Ha Kodesh and was yelling,
"Where are you, God --- where? Why do You inflict such
suffering on us? These German beasts are slaughtering fathers,
mothers, and children --- and You keep quiet and let it happen. Why
don't You send an earthquake or a flood that will
destroy us all at once and have it over with?"
The old Rabbi came out to see who was desecrating this holy
place. When he saw my stepmother, he bowed his head in grief.
He obviously knew that my stepfather had been killed.
"Please, Mrs. Shainberg . . . But what you are doing now is a
sacrilege . . ."
"A sacrilege!" my stepmother cried. "They killed my husband
--- that's a sacrilege." She seemed to be addressing God instead
of the rabbi. "What kind of God are You who lets the heartless Nazis
live while honest fathers are slain?"
The woman might have read the Luke 19:41- passage, where the God Whom
she was cursing was entering the Holy City as the Lamb, to suffer
infinitely beyond anything she had ever known, for her, her husband's,
and your and my sins.
He had answered her cries 2000 years ago, in that passage, with
amazing precision and with complete love and sympathy that caused Him
to wail aloud.
And we might do the same.
I've heard so many "christians" claim that the Jews' sufferings the
past two millenia was because they crucified their Messiah. Another
denial of the teachings of Scripture. The reason is simply that they
did not heed the Scriptures, as the Lord explained, regarding His
entry into Jerusalem, and the consequent Friday crucifixion date.
These dates were so important that God instituted a new calendar (Ex.
12:1) to emphasize their importance. One of the reasons for their
importance is to demonstrate the awesome brilliant character of the
Scriptures, the accuracy of God's Prophetic Word.
I would like to answer such questions as "then how do you get the
three days and three nights?" For that one, I believe the Scriptural
teaching gives a far better and and absolutely precise explanation
than any I've seen in any of my 20 personal commentaries yet. But
it's rather long, as I apologize this has been.
Bob
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From: Eddie Chumney
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Understanding the "First day of the week"
I have a Strong's Concordance on my lap. The word 'Sabbath'
appears in the NT over 55 times. It is the Strong's word (4521) in
the Greek Lexicon.
The phrase the "First day of the week" occurs nine times in the
NT. Here they are:
Matthew 28:1: "In the end of the sabbath (4521) as it began to dawn
toward the first of the week (4521) came Mary Magdalene and the other
Mary to see the sepulcher" (Notice that sabbath and week are the SAME
Greek word ... in the first part of the verse it was translated as
sabbath and the last part of the verse it was translated as week)
Mark 16:1-2: "And when the sabbath (4521) was past, Mary Magdalene
and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices,
that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning
the first of the week (4521) they came to the sepulcher at the
rising of the sun"
Mark 16:9: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first of the week
(4521), he appeared first to Mary Magdalene out of whom he had cast
seven devils"
Luke 18:12:"I fast twice in the week (4521) ...
Luke 24:1:"Now upon the first of the week (4521), very early in the
morning, they came unto the sepulcher bringing the spices which they
had prepared, and certain others with them"
John 20:1:"The first of the week (4521) cometh Mary Magdalene early,
when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher and seeth the stone taken
away from the sepulcher"
John 20:19:"Then the same day at evening, being the first of the week
(4521), when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst and saith
unto them, Peace be unto you (Shalom Alechem)"
Acts 20:7:"And upon the first of the week (4521), when the disciples
came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to
depart on the morrow, and continued his speech until midnight"
I Corinthians 16:2:"Upon the first of the week (4521) let every one
of you lay by him in store as God has prospered him, that there be no
gatherings when I come"
The only places in the NT where the Greek word (4521) was translated
week rather than sabbath are scripture references to the resurrection
and a time of worship. Interesting ...
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From: Fred Costello
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: Re: Three Days and Three Nights!
This has been a really interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone for
their input.
After reading all the different arguments, I'm still not sure. I like
the idea of the resurrection occuring on the Sabbath, but I like
Malcolm's points as well.
Some questions:
Also, I became interested in the Hebrew roots of Christianity from a
conference I went to put on by "Jews for Jesus." During this
conference, I was under the impression that the last supper was
actually a Passover celebration. Is this true?
>From Eddie:
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The "Last Supper" was actually a Passover. In Luke 22:14-15,
it is written:
"And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles
with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this PASSOVER with you before I suffer"
>From Fred:
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The "Jews for Jesus" organization seemed to believe that the breaking
of the bread was Jesus' explanation of the Hafi Komen part of the
Passover ceremony in terms of it's prophetic significance--"This is my
body" being an explanation of the symbolism of Hafi Komen. My
Catholic brothers would say I'm anathema for believing this, because I
believe the Hafi Komen was, is and always will be at least somewhat
symbolic.
>From Eddie:
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The breaking of the Matza during the Passover Seder was
symbolic of the body of Yeshua dying for us on the tree. Yeshua said
this himself in Luke 22:19:
"And he took bread and gave thanks (the Hebrew blessing is 'Blessed
are you, O Lord, our God, King of the Universe who brings forth the
bread (Yeshua/Jesus ... John 6:33, 48) i.e. resurrects Yeshua/Jesus)
from the earth) and broke it and gave unto them, saying, THIS (the
matzah eaten during Passover) is my BODY which is given unto you:
this do in remembrance of me"
First century Jews celebrated PASSOVER. The "Lord's Supper"
was a PASSOVER (Luke 22:15) and the bread broken was done during the
Passover Seder and it was Matzah. First century Jews NEVER celebrated
Mass. Mass comes from Christianity mixing with Mithraism.
>From Fred:
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Christ told us "Do this in my memory." If it was the Passover
ceremony, then wouldn't it be a command (or request) to continue the
Passover ceremony (especially the Hafi Komen) in his memory? And, if
my theory about the prophetic nature of the Hafi Komen is correct,
Christ's message to us was, just as you have done this for thousands
of years in anticipation of my coming, now do it in my memory.
>From Eddie:
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Yes, we should keep Passover in celebration and memory of
the death and resurrection of Messiah even as He said in Luke 22:19
" ... this DO in REMEMBRANCE of ME (Yeshua/Jesus)"
>From Fred:
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Lastly, does anyone think it is possible that Christ was risen right
on the brink of Passover Sabbath (symbolizing the death of the Lamb),
and the FirstFriuts Festival? Right at sunset on Saturday? Or still
possibly rising with the dawn on Sunday (my mystical/poetic side wants
this to be true).
>From Eddie:
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These are some of the issues that this newsgroup is currently
discussing. The Jewish way is to STUDY and examine all points and
viewpoints. Then, with the help of the Ruach HaKodesh / Holy Spirit,
things should begin to get more clearer.
>From Fred:
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Please excuse my Hebrew spelling, not sure if Im getting them right or
not.
Fred
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